EVE General Discussion

The idea that every player fits into a box labeled hisec/lowsec/nullsec/w-space is utter nonsense. Many people play in multiple zones for much of their time in Eve. Having CCP use a set of subjective criteria to pick who can run for what runs completely counter to the entire point of the CSM.

Oh, and as to why it's all dictatorships:

"Dictatorship" is actually inaccurate in a majority of cases. It's usually a class-based system headed by an oligarchy of leaders who are there because people like them and they're loud. This puts them in a position to organize and dictate stuff. However, it's not a full "for-the-leadership" dictatorship for a few reasons:

• Unlike in real life, it is much easier to pick up your stuff and just leave. Leadership disregarding the corp/alliance members is a good way to fail.
• Power is ephemeral in Eve. It is hard to maintain a stable, static situation, despite what the "blue donut" naysayers might say.
• Personal armies don't exist. Unless you actually have the support of your organization's members, you cannot accomplish any large-scale military movement.

While democracy would address all of these, it also:

• Is slow; a democracy will always react more slowly than an oligarchy or single-man dictatorship.
• Is damaging to outside interactions (nobody wants to deal with a group that switches leadership too often)
• Inspires internal disunion and conflict.
• Is easily gamed, and brings ****** politics into matters.
• Involves asking a lot of unqualified people to make significant decisions.

I could come up with more, but I think this is enough. Democracy is bad in Eve, and I don't know of any entity that implemented it successfully (I do know of a few failed ones though). A better approach to taking into account the membership's wishes is using polls to inform the leadership, and direct leadership involvement in day-to-day activities.

The U.S. does do that.

Just because a corporate autocracy calls itself a democracy doesn't make it true. Stop watching reality TV and look at the real world.

Mr Epeen

In the U.S., hurricane Katrina and the Exxon Valdez incident were called disasters by the puppet government while at the same time being lauded by the corporate empire for boosting the GNP.

I don't share your doubts.

Mr Epeen

James 315 was democratically elected as Supreme Protector of Highsec by everyone. I am all for giving him power to tax highsec residents or to close stargates to Public Enemies though.

I approve your idea, but I'd recommend that you get your facts straight before you do any more posting.

Voting doesn't work.

If you had the seat segregated then the alliances leaders would require everyone to quick train into a high sec alt or would manipulate it with the existing high sec alts.

Any vote system where population is disorganized (low, wh, high) would be overwhelmingly outvoted by alliances because they're organized. The CSM is rigged in just this manner which is why its primarily all null sec on the CSM along with a couple of CFC related corps / alliances in wormholes.

You win because you're an organized voting block featuring leadership with clear preferences towards a certain candidate. This influence gets the members to have similar preferences, and various awareness communication motivates them to vote. In other words, a political machine.

I doubt that as many in Goonswarm would vote, and if they do, that their votes would align at all, were it not for alliance leadership and organization.

This isn't a bad thing! It means you're playing properly. Your people care enough to vote because of their involvement in the Eve community, which is thanks to their alliance. That is something that disparate hisec groups or lone wolves will never understand.

Nobody has ever been kicked out of the CFC for not voting for "right candidate". We vote for whoever has our best interests in mind.

James 315 was elected by all of high sec.