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Battle-Recorder · Eve's Very Own Built-In Fight Record Tool

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NaK'Lin
Seamen Force
#241 - 2013-12-27 05:07:54 UTC
i'm going to +1 this.

I like to fraps (well, actually i use bandicam, because moar FPS), enjoy making videos.

This would allow for some very nice videos after the fight. Most fights I don't record, because i don't like the framedrop (Don't tell me how to optimize, my frames drop to about 70fps, but there's chokes sometimes).

Also it allows for less boring videos. some fights you are focused on the fights and you can't focus on getting "nice shots". And those are usually the greater fights you would like to share.
It would also allow for cuts and different views, following another ship during the fights, etc.

thanks to server "ticks" data in that recorder log would be updated once / second only, which shouldn't be a hard performance impact. I'd welcome it even without a separate render engine in the beginning. Hell, no "special" camera controls in first release. give me a ghost ship with stupid speed so you can follow anyone and i'll record the thing in several takes and take the shots i need...

Mostly, this would promote EvE massively. the eve videos out there would multiply by a LOT. With ACTUAL gameplay, not the cinematics, which seems to be current trend by CCP.


C'mon, just put some people on that tool. please.

I Promise (binding) to send every dev on that tool a gift package!
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#242 - 2013-12-27 17:35:39 UTC
I like the bribery at the end.

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lacal
Meltdown Technologies
#243 - 2014-01-02 08:35:01 UTC
+1 from me - Great Idea!



Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#244 - 2014-02-22 19:42:11 UTC
I wish I found your thread sooner, I just posted the SAME idea in another thread of mine.

Completely agree, since eve integrated twitch TV streaming so quickly I figured that an intern could most likely code this player / recorder bit of code in a weekend.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#245 - 2014-02-22 19:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
CCP Atlas wrote:
This is something that has been discussed internally numerous times and it is pretty awesome. I do believe it's even on some backlog or other, but I don't know when or if it will be attacked.


JUST GET AN INTERN TO CODE IT OVER THE WEEKEND!!! I'm positive there are interns just DYING to get their bit of code into the game, plus this is something that would be completely client side based and just think of all the COOL videos we could make to promote the game, you got it half right with twtch streaming now finish the job. One weekend and we would have a recorder /player you already have all the code!!!

I bet you don't even need to make a playback program, provide the positional data of ships, modules that were activated etc in an ascii format and someone will MAKE one. Guaranteed!

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Joe Boirele
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2014-02-22 20:41:06 UTC
I like this idea.

Enemies are just friends who stab you in the front.

"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight!"

Noillia Durmot
Marginally Sinister
#247 - 2014-03-04 17:06:23 UTC
I seriously can't believe that this hasn't happened yet.
Pew Terror
All of it
#248 - 2014-03-04 18:48:19 UTC
If you own a Nvidia Gfx Card I can only recommend looking into Shadow Play.
It asically gives you a button to at any time save the last 20 minutes of gameplay to disk and has virtually no performance penalty (i drop down about 2-3% in framerate using it).
Jureth22
State War Academy
Caldari State
#249 - 2014-03-04 18:50:06 UTC
+ 1
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#250 - 2014-03-14 08:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ninjaholic
Pew Terror wrote:
If you own a Nvidia Gfx Card I can only recommend looking into Shadow Play.
It asically gives you a button to at any time save the last 20 minutes of gameplay to disk and has virtually no performance penalty (i drop down about 2-3% in framerate using it).
Yea Shadowplay is awesome. I use it all the time now.

Noillia Durmot wrote:
I seriously can't believe that this hasn't happened yet.
Been saying that for years lol.

Cyndrogen wrote:
CCP Atlas wrote:
This is something that has been discussed internally numerous times and it is pretty awesome. I do believe it's even on some backlog or other, but I don't know when or if it will be attacked.


JUST GET AN INTERN TO CODE IT OVER THE WEEKEND!!! I'm positive there are interns just DYING to get their bit of code into the game, plus this is something that would be completely client side based and just think of all the COOL videos we could make to promote the game, you got it half right with twtch streaming now finish the job. One weekend and we would have a recorder /player you already have all the code!!!

I bet you don't even need to make a playback program, provide the positional data of ships, modules that were activated etc in an ascii format and someone will MAKE one. Guaranteed!
Agreed. It couldn't be such a monumental task that someone couldn't achieve it over a week or two.

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ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#251 - 2014-03-14 09:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: ninjaholic
I mean in all fairness with the expansion of modern computing power in to the live streaming stages, thanks to Twitch TV and Own3d TV, there's no better time to consider creating this awesome tool. You could create some basic videos to teach people how to pvp, mine, good habits in space, and squadron tactics in big fleet fights. Shadowplay, while amazing, cannot do this to the same degree of detail. I'll never give up, but CCP are really dragging this one out! (7 years now in October)

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Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#252 - 2014-03-14 12:28:29 UTC
Yes - +1

One of the most important parts of this is replaying the full 3D context.

Not from a fixed perspective, but from anywhere inside the position data. Effectively, to replay, you fire up a client and it renders everything with all agents, you can simply fly through the re-enactment looking and enjoying. Even create a vide from this replay with better perspectives and multiple view analysis.
ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#253 - 2014-05-01 16:58:57 UTC
I mean could you imagine hosting alliance fleet fight analysis streams? You could use the tool to go in to the grid and better strip apart the fleet fight process and really micro and macro every individual fleet fight component, target, layout, structure and composition to better learn how to fleet fight like pros, or fleet fight better. It doesn't have to be a live stream either, it could be a private video for your alliance that can or could be released to the public after it's mettle has been tested, I mean the potential of the Battle-Recorder tool is immense. CCP I plead with you to work on this yet again as I have been doing for the LAST SEVEN YEARS. (That did deserve caps c'mon.)

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#254 - 2014-05-01 17:08:01 UTC
This would be super sweet. I'd be able to run my windows in lower graphics during the fight itself, but render the video afterwards in full graphics. Super cool, if it's possible, it would be awesome.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Alundil
Rolled Out
#255 - 2014-05-01 17:54:30 UTC
Yes, 1000 times, yes.

This was a thing of beauty back in bf2142 and the source demo tool is quite nice.

This would be great if possible.

I'm right behind you

Alundil
Rolled Out
#256 - 2014-05-01 17:58:14 UTC
CCP Atlas wrote:
This is something that has been discussed internally numerous times and it is pretty awesome. I do believe it's even on some backlog or other, but I don't know when or if it will be attacked.

Pretty sad that the only Dev response to this was 3 years back.

I'm right behind you

ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#257 - 2014-05-01 19:13:10 UTC
I've seen that happen though in the past, where a feature that has had a little attention from Devs has lain there a long time before being integrated in some shape or form. At the very least they know about it, have discussed it and it's on one of their eventually-do lists gathering dust. Better than nothing!

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Endo Saissore
Afterburners of Eve'il Inc.
#258 - 2014-05-01 20:06:43 UTC
This would be great. I hate using a third party to record videos cuz it makes Eve stutter for me. If its built in the game ill be more inclined to record!
Shpenat
Ironman Inc.
Transgress
#259 - 2014-05-01 20:59:40 UTC
The idea is sound. I was considering this tool a while ago (a few ears). But it boiled down to several problems.


  1. Where to capture: Therea are two possible places. Either server side or client side.

    • Server side has an advantage of being accurate. Technically it require log of every server tick for every grid with at least one pilot with recording switched on. The drawback is additional requred storage and server load.
    • Client side has advantage of being very easy to capture (you just dump your incomming communication from server) and no need to change the core server code. The very severe drawback is the ammount of available data. Each player gets only data about position of the other ships and his own interraction with those ships. There would be no data about other ships on grid which does not interract directly with said player. As a result you would see a lot of ship being on grid wouthout any guns doing completely nothing (except for occasionally blowing up). This can be probably overcome by some "merge" tool whouch would use data recorded by several players to reconstruct more accurate dataset.


  2. Captured content: The existence of rendering engine puts CCP slightly uneasy what it can be used for. With current client CCP has a control about the content. If the stand-alone render engine exist CCP will have no control about what it is used for. And this is imho the main problem.
markeet
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#260 - 2014-05-12 04:07:29 UTC
World of tanks has a great battle recorder. It allows for easy uploading and sharing of past matches. Simple, yet extremely useful. If Eve pilots had this feature then everyone could record an engagement from their prospective, upload the small file, and the result could be some really cool vids. It could be a useful tool to teach others too.

Why, after 11 years, does CCP keep these types of tools internal I will never know.