Ships & Modules

It's all perfectly clear. You want to put a noob in a ship that:

1. He needs someone else to rig. Wonder if he'll get his ship back.
2. He needs a 3% Engineering EG-603 implant to fit. I started LVL4's with Weapon Upgrades at 4.
3. Worse tracking even if you put 2 Tracking Scripts on those Tracking Computers.
4. One half the Rate of Fire, that alone will more than make up for the 35 DPS difference. Seems to elude you.
5. Total Crap for defense, be prepared to warp out.
6. How much time will you spend waiting for your cap to recharge? Oh, you can just warp to a station and back. Remember, you're getting all that awesome dps to make up for it.
7. Waste 2 rig slots to fit those 1400's, yea those 2 rigs take up 400 calibration.
8. Oh, sorry, you'll need to trash that Burst Aerator II for a Burst Aerator I and add another Ancillary Current Router to get T2 1400's on it. You still have that PG implant right?

Yea, I see it all. It's a really b1tch'en fit.

Sorry I won't be attending your skool of stupid.

Since your so anal about a few dps instead of letting a noob play their game:

[Maelstrom, Maelstrom PvE Newb]

Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script swap with Optimal Range Script as needed
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive

1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II


Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


Or you can test out the tank on this:

[Maelstrom, Maelstrom PvE Newb]

Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Micro Jump Drive

1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, Republic Fleet Fusion L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II


Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Keep it coming guys this thread is ******* awesome.

I am so free and use bertrams fitting

1. No, rigs are already used at Battlecruisers so he does not have to learn new skills and even if so, Jury rigging only needs Mechanics Level III

2. No, not realy. Bertrands fitting has everything you need and it does not need either an PG Implant or Advanced Weapon Upgrades.

3. Please define your idea of good tracking. Looking at your first fitting it should be at 0.016. What is the line from wich on you say the tracking is "ok"?

4. Half the rate of fire but also half the cost for ammunition. Please read my post here for further explanation why this may become a crucial benefit.

5. You dont need the defence, I fly ships with less than half of it and dont run into any problems. The reason is the MJD wich brings you far out of any incoming damage, even Guristas dont hurt at 80km+

6. Not the cap recharge is the problem? What ammount of cap recharge should we aim for? Especialy since projectile weapons dont use cap.

7. Bertram actually wastet 1 rig slott using 100 calibration points to fit 1400s.

8. Erm... We are talking about fitts for new players, right? They dont use T2 Weaponry, hence why the fit itself is optimized for low skill players without even advanced weapon upgrades. You contradicted yourself again. Please explain to us what skills a new player must have in your opinion to fly a battleship.


Well, I think you did not read my posts. I tried to explain to you why range is important when using MJD, I tried to show you how bad the tracking in your first post was, even compared to a 1400 fitting and I tried to explain to you that your requirements on skills will be barely reached by new players, especialy since drones are also important, as well as Cap Recharge, Shield Skills and many other supportskills.



To be honest, most the time I ignored the damage, it was you that focused on it and stil does. I said your first fitting was bad because "So.... even your tracking is worse than the 1400 variant, the main reason why you created the fitting in the first place."

You still dont get the point. The whole damage crap aside your fitting still is inferior because the damage projection was bad. You did not have a higher hit rate not better range or better tracking, hell most of the time once you used the MJD you would fire in 100% Falloff range, reducing your hit rate by 50%. Dont believe me? Look it up, thats how falloff works. Or better jet, I just quote myself trying to explain this to you...



As I also said already, dont focus on one single stat, look at all of them. Because then something like this should never happen:



You see? Even when the whole part about damage is ignored you fitting still was inferior in every single stat.

Or you can test out the tank on this:



This fitting still contradicts your own words regarding a ship for beginners and it uses a tanking concept far beyond usefull. I mean, dual ASB? Realy? Thats something some PVPers think is useless and they are the only ones needing this stuff in the first place but now you are going PvP - ASB - Buffer combined with T2 weapon rigs.



How about this, you explain to us what are the minimum required stats to successfully fly a L4 and we see how it turns out.

Ohgaud, what have I done...T_T

It's a good balance between, tank, dps, cap recharge rate and will keep you going through most missions without a lot of downtime. The whole concept eludes you as I said before. You are unable to comprehend the whole thing.

Stats will vary with skills.

So take your skool of stupid and run along. Your ignorance has no place here.

I'm sorry, you have the illusion that I'm going to discuss this with a control freak tard.

Go play your games somewhere else.

I want to be part of this show!

Here is my real newb friendly fun fit, skills are set to 3 on support, 4 on minn bs.

Go ahead, mock me

[Maelstrom]

[High Slots]
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Cannon I, Phased Plasma L

[Med Slots]
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Domination Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

[Low Slots]
Tracking Enhancer I
Tracking Enhancer I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I
F85 Peripheral Damage System I

[Rigs]
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I

[Drones]
Federation Navy Hobgoblin x 6

513 dps with Phased Plasma
3.4 km opt 44km faloff
20400 shield hp / 76260 EHP