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CCP, your pricing is flawed.

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SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2014-02-22 17:32:29 UTC
why does the 90 day subscription cost more if I am logged in than If I weren't?
I mean,
if I buy a 90 day sub for my first few months in this game, i makes a commitment of about 30.00 USD for 90 days (30.00$/90d = .34$/d).
now, lets say, I create a sidekick account using the buddy program.
that gets me 21 more days on my sidekick for free! now we have (30.00$/(90d+21d) = .27$/day), about 79% the original price.
after some time, I upgrade my buddy account for 90 days (30.00$ + 30.00$)/(90d + 21d + 90d) = .30$ / day.
once I upgrade my sidekick, my main (this) gets 30 days of game time.
so now we have this big lump of math:
(30.00$ + 30.00$)/(90d + 21d + 90d + 30d)
and that results at a whopping 0.26USD for every day that my account lives. Keep that 0.26USD/day in mind here.

now we can compare this to a regular 90 day subscription. I pay 12.95$ a month, or 38.85$ for 3.
I pay for 2 months.
(38.85$ + 38.85)/(90d+90d) =
0.43USD/day
and once again that number from before is
0.26USD/day

now from this, I can go two ways,
A) pay more money for less time.
B) create an alt, and pay LESS than I would end up paying, more MORE days.

even if you guys charged the original 9.99/month you'd still be making more money than if I'd used the buddy trick.

(29.97$ / 90d) = .33USD / day.

So, I ask why are these flawed prices persisting in your program?
Obunagawe
#2 - 2014-02-22 18:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Obunagawe
The fatal flaw is that you have to upgrade your buddy account for 90 days to get 30 days on your main. This triples your estimated cost!

However if you take advantage of the new player specials it could actually be possible to cheat the subscription costs in this way.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#3 - 2014-02-22 18:03:12 UTC
to get that offer you need to have active account and also making buddy for yourself might be considered as an exploit so all your calculations is just theory.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#4 - 2014-02-22 18:05:34 UTC
The outside consultants and focus groups assured them that they would get more tears with the current pricing scheme.

Working as intended.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-02-22 18:08:38 UTC
"CCP reserves the right to restrict eligibility for some rewards according to certain criteria, including but not limited to minimum account age or minimum client log-in time of the inviter."
and
"Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to; farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes."
So, as long as the alt is not for " grief-play purposes" and has a decent amount of time on it, It's completely fine according to the terms and conditions
Obunagawe
#6 - 2014-02-22 18:09:49 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
to get that offer you need to have active account and also making buddy for yourself might be considered as an exploit so all your calculations is just theory.


Making buddy alt is not an exploit, I asked this once and got a GM answer.


If the promotional offer was for a single month then this could be used as the OP suggests. But it's for three months so the 0.26USD/day needs to be multiplied by three, and suddenly everything becomes crap.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-22 18:12:49 UTC
I've made a buddy for myself before as well, but of course you do realise that just 1 subscription is cheaper than upgrading and buying a 2nd subscription right? In your example your total cost will be a lot higher if you create a buddy and upgrade him AND pay the sub on your main, compared to just paying the sub on your main.
SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2014-02-22 18:15:01 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
I've made a buddy for myself before as well, but of course you do realise that just 1 subscription is cheaper than upgrading and buying a 2nd subscription right? In your example your total cost will be a lot higher if you create a buddy and upgrade him AND pay the sub on your main, compared to just paying the sub on your main.

cancel the sub after 90 days.
also, in the 0.26$/day, I inclute the time on the alt, too.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-22 18:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aivo Dresden
If you cancel the sub after 90 days and don't actually pay your main account, you've essentially just paid $30 for a PLEX.
If you cancel it and kept your main account running you've paid $30 (buddy) + $38 sub for the main.

In both situations you've spend more money than only paying your sub on the main, which is $38.

Are you trolling us? :P
SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2014-02-22 18:23:26 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:


Are you trolling us? :P

not conciously.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-22 18:31:47 UTC
If the promotion worked with a $10 1x month buddy upgrade, it would be much, much nicer but alas. It only starts working with the $30 offer.

Tbh if you're going to create an alt, the buddy system is the easiest way to do it. Not only do you get a nice little PLEX on your main, you get a great price on your upgrade and first few months of game time. When I did it to make this character here, you got the cerebral accelerator with the upgrade too, gives you a nice boost to your initial training. Definitely recommended if you're on the market for an alt.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2014-02-22 18:36:55 UTC
SomethingIs InMyButt wrote:
So, I ask why are these flawed prices persisting in your program?
Because they don't persist. Giving people rebates for their first subscription period isn't particularly flawed — “the first one's free”.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2014-02-22 19:21:11 UTC
What amazes me is-that instead of just playing the game, people actually sit around trying desperately to come up with weird stuff as to why CCP hates them.

If you put half as much time into farming a PLEX once a month, you'd be much further off than if you spend wasted hours trying to find reasons for CCP to give you stuff. And as a bonus, you'd be actually logged into the game you are paying for.

Mr Epeen Cool
SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-02-22 20:31:58 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
What amazes me is-that instead of just playing the game, people actually sit around trying desperately to come up with weird stuff as to why CCP hates them.

If you put half as much time into farming a PLEX once a month, you'd be much further off than if you spend wasted hours trying to find reasons for CCP to give you stuff. And as a bonus, you'd be actually logged into the game you are paying for.

Mr Epeen Cool


any tips for doing that?
I'm currently doing planetary management, and I'm waiting to see a profit on that.
mining is okay.
Industry is a nono.
and the only combat skills I have are as a logi.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#15 - 2014-02-22 20:46:00 UTC
"for grief-play purposes"?

...

>.>

Oh, wait, it's EVE. I'm safe.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jackka
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-02-22 21:07:35 UTC
So the gist is that you get a discount if you get an alt for yourself.

CCP doesn't mind people creating alts. More money for them.

I don't agree with it, but that's how they want to make money, I guess.
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-02-22 21:07:47 UTC
you said a nice butt story the other day in local
someone asked you to put in your bio!! you should have.
SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-02-22 21:50:42 UTC
Oblivion King wrote:
you said a nice butt story the other day in local
someone asked you to put in your bio!! you should have.

it is. :)
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#19 - 2014-02-22 22:51:55 UTC
do you have nothing better to do?
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#20 - 2014-02-22 23:19:07 UTC
All that time and effort to make these "calculations" while you could have fun just playing the game as a Brave Newbie. Who counts nickels and dimes while having fun?
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