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The greatest scam of EVE online

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#381 - 2014-02-22 15:04:35 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Sounds like a great place for people who hate Goons to really learn to hate Goons and not the leadership/group.


For me it was never about hating anybody. Goons were simply the biggest target, and it seemed fun to go up against them. If another alliance was bigger, I'd have happily shot at them too.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#382 - 2014-02-22 15:08:18 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:

Wait, Gevlon's autism support group has 366 members? Jesus, they're like five times the size of MINILUV, and we still do ten times the damage.

This is an important point Goblin forgets. On paper we have tens of thousands of pilots, but only about 70 of them care about Highsec. So he might think he's leading the 300 against Xerxes horde, but he's really getting beat down by a few dozen guys on vacation from the real wars.


Yep, or if you compare them to SniggWaffe who are still larger than MiniLuv (as far as I know) yet half the size roughly than this supposed "Goon Killing alliance" you have:

JANUARY

Darwins Lemmings - 366 members across 36 corporations
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darwins_Lemmings
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=9713

Kills - 802
ISK equivalent in kills - 68.44 Billion

Losses -269
ISK equivalent in losses - 11.24 Billion

Efficiency - 85.89%


SniggWaffe - 230 members in SniggWaffe, 2 members in our executor corp. (35 in a Russian corp we did a test period with)*
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/WAFFLES./corporations
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=9296


Kills - 4,560
ISK equivalent in kills - 1.9 Trillion

Losses - 1,739
ISK equivalent in losses - 67.75 Billion

Efficiency - 96.65%

*Black Mesa Inc were a part of Waffles during January and had the following statistics:

Kills - 27
ISK in kills - 1.31 Billion

Losses - 11
ISK in losses - 0.1 Billion

Which accounts for a minuscule amount of the damages in both kills and losses for the month. They left Waffles having not garnered any kills in February.

FEBRUARY

Darwins Lemmings

Kills - 2,141
ISK equivalent in kills - 104.1 Billion

Losses - 642
ISK equivalent in losses - 25.92 Billion

Efficiency - 80.07%


SniggWaffe

Kills - 4,018
ISK equivalent - 175.58 Billion

Losses - 1,328
ISK equivalent in losses - 50.10 Billion

Efficiency - 77.80%


SniggWaffe, a corp with 200 fewer pilots, can deal over twice as many kills at minimum (February saw our return to lowsec after the south east finished up) than Gevlon's attempt at an alliance to deal damage to Goons. Waffles also finance themselves individually and don't have an ISK reserve that is close to what Gevlon claims to be.

Basically a training corp for a "Goon pet" in Pandemic Legion can do more than Gevlon's entire alliance with Marmite Collective doing all the heavy work. It's quite sad really, and these numbers are hard to lie about.



Your null sec though right? you go hunting in low sec, fight null sec scraps and have the bat phone to PL supers that makes squashing any low sec gang with its tail up a trivial task. I dont follow how yr stats are relevant. Not trying to diss you btw, I am new to eve. I do think though yr comparing apples to oranges.


Waffles are not anything. We fight everywhere, even Hisec and we never call PL supers unless absolutely necessary (i.e. when we're killing a super which isn't often). I know you have a hard time comprehending reality, especially when it doesn't suit your narrative, but making **** up like that is pretty much why people mock you for being stupid.

My stats are relevant since Waffles run subcaps predominately and are more efficient at taking out our "targets" without the supposed mass funding you claim to provide Marmite and your autism support network. Your "accomplishments" as an alliance are in reality evidence that you're a paper tiger and can't even succeed at what people much smaller than you do, let alone what you attempt to set out to do yourself.


Thanks for clearing that up. Btw Im a neut here not the goblin and Im not in lemmings. You seem to have missed that, quite probably cos yr just skimming the thread. So yr insults just went straight over my shoulder and missed. Im also new to eve (as I said) so didnt know exactly what waffles did. So thanks for telling me.

Will gank for food

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#383 - 2014-02-22 15:14:49 UTC
Domino Artan wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Anela Cistine wrote:
This whole premise is ridiculous. Newbies are the best part of EVE. If we had 8000 newbies on our team we wouldn't leave them rotting in highsec.



Love to be a newbie in goons, but 6 months previous in something awf is /effort and without it means being scammed rite? I'll find a home eventually. Goblins point is that its prob not gonna be with you cos you have an entry requirement I cant meet (regardless how good/bad I am at eve).


You can get into GSF without getting into Waffe.
Tarojan, I just wanted to expand on this. You can indeed join GSF without being in Goonwaffe, and that's where their noobie program operates. But as well as that, you too can meet the Goonwaffe requirement by becoming a member of the SA forums, so their entry requirement isn't impossible to meet. Now if you don't want to become a member of the SA forums, it's unlikely you'd enjoy being in Goonwaffe anyway. It would be like joining a fishing club if you hate fishing.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#384 - 2014-02-22 15:19:43 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Sounds like a great place for people who hate Goons to really learn to hate Goons and not the leadership/group.


For me it was never about hating anybody. Goons were simply the biggest target, and it seemed fun to go up against them. If another alliance was bigger, I'd have happily shot at them too.
Seem like fun engagements at the moment are the territory of Brave Newbies. They went all in with their fleet in 0-W. It's one thing to show up at a fight against a larger enemy, but it's another thing entirely to hold your ground once you realise you are going to suffer a total loss. Hat tipped to them for that.

Alternatively groups like RvB offer easy access to combat. If you really want to find a small tight-knit group to have a load of fun with though, then FW groups can be a good laugh.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#385 - 2014-02-22 15:24:25 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Sounds like a great place for people who hate Goons to really learn to hate Goons and not the leadership/group.


For me it was never about hating anybody. Goons were simply the biggest target, and it seemed fun to go up against them. If another alliance was bigger, I'd have happily shot at them too.
Seem like fun engagements at the moment are the territory of Brave Newbies. They went all in with their fleet in 0-W. It's one thing to show up at a fight against a larger enemy, but it's another thing entirely to hold your ground once you realise you are going to suffer a total loss. Hat tipped to them for that.

Alternatively groups like RvB offer easy access to combat. If you really want to find a small tight-knit group to have a load of fun with though, then FW groups can be a good laugh.


With all the stabbed farmers and blobbers, FW might not be that fun ATM. Just my .02ISK.
Actually, all that Gevlon nonsense made me want to join GSF. Nice work goblin, your propaganda skills are so bad, that you push new players to your enemies.

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Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#386 - 2014-02-22 15:31:25 UTC
Yeah I tried FW and it just made me want to pirate Twisted
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#387 - 2014-02-22 15:35:54 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Yeah I tried FW and it just made me want to pirate Twisted


Join Stay Frosty then. It's all about being a free-spirited pirate.

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Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#388 - 2014-02-22 16:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Lucas Kell wrote:
Tarojan, I just wanted to expand on this. You can indeed join GSF without being in Goonwaffe, and that's where their noobie program operates. But as well as that, you too can meet the Goonwaffe requirement by becoming a member of the SA forums, so their entry requirement isn't impossible to meet. Now if you don't want to become a member of the SA forums, it's unlikely you'd enjoy being in Goonwaffe anyway. It would be like joining a fishing club if you hate fishing.


I can't speak for any of our various allies, but Goonwaffe is a corporation for Something Awful members who happen to play eve. Something Awful is not a forum for eve players who happen to be in Goonwaffe. Just like Starfleet Dental is the group for Something Awful members who happen to hate themselves enough to play Star Trek Online/Star Citizen. If EVE were to shut the servers down tomorrow, we'd all still be playing together as goons, just somewhere else.

That being said we have myriad other corporations and alliances within our august coalition who I'm sure would be happy to find a place for you. Convo me in game and I'll see about hooking you up.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#389 - 2014-02-22 16:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Renegade Heart wrote:
Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?


Did any two of the following things happen:

- Did the FC interrupt himself to tell you a story?
- Did he tell you to warp into a trap?
- Was hearing any GUYS GUYS instruction GUYS WARP DONT WARP AT 10 HOLD CLOAK at all JUMP WARP GUYS hard?
- Did he promise "tackled supers" only for there to conveniently be a cyno near a hostile structure?

Guys I think we have a high profile defector.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#390 - 2014-02-22 17:26:25 UTC
So I found this in Gevlon's comment section, and I want you to put some sad violin music on and let me tell you a little story about our favourite little randian blogger.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Also the "I conquer the world" thing is necessary to give meaning to trading. Or they just say: you made 500B, congrats watching a number grow. I want to tell: "I made difference BECAUSE I had the money"


So, after months (years?) of being told "Well done on making ISK to make ISK it's completely pointless", it seems he has finally 'got it'.

He's sad, alone, and without anything to do, or anyone to share it with. He's come to realise, that if he has to pay billions to join TEST, an alliance with open-door recruitment, that perhaps he won't ever fit in anywhere.

sniff

So, what does he do? He tries to be ~~relevant~~

"I know", he thinks to himself "I can use my money to grrrrGOONS louder than anyone has ever grrr'd a goon before!"

And so, our hero sets out, with a fat wallet, but nothing but anger and contempt in his heart.

"They call my plans foolish! What will they say when I pay someone to keep their money-POCOs reinforced so they stop making money? HA! Money from their alliance wallets! You'll rue the day you made me look like a little man now Mynnna!"

But instead, we all pointed and laughed, because he didn't think to see how things worked before acting. In a little twist of comedy, he even explicitly claims in his initial post, that this plan will only work because there's no timers to fight over.

"gggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrGOOOOOOOONNNNS!!"

some time passes

"Well, then I will get the people necessary to actually fight these timers! AHAHAHAH people will join and this will be amazing. Also, I won't lead this in any way because then people can't say I failed. Man I covered all my bases this time".

But instead, we all pointed and laughed, because he didn't think to see how things worked before acting, and RvBee kicked into action. POCOs were saved, and the good guys cheered.

"gggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrRgrgrrrrrrrr grgrg rg rgr grrrrrrrrrrrrr RVBEEEEE!"

(Medical doctors should have gotten involved at this point).

"I know, I will make RvB quit the war, by graphing a lot and calling them pets!"

But instead, we all pointed and laughed, because he didn't think to see how things worked before acting, and this time RvB got to join in the head scratching.

This tale continues to this very day, and some people say that deep in Hungary, from a tiny apartment, you can hear the faint whimpers of a man flushing a toilet, his pretend money in one hand, and a graph in another.

Ultimately, we're in a situation where someone is desperate for attention, and meaning. It's a tragic tale, because through alienating everyone he has ever spoken to, he has ended up in the situation where his only possible course of action, is to keep throwing his hard-earned money in the bin, because that's the only use for it now.

What to expect? Well he needs people to recognise his efforts, so there will be loads more blogging, graphing, posting and blogging to come, as he tries to convince people he is responsible for all this "damage" to GSF.
We'll continue to keep all our POCOs, because he's a couple of orders of magnitude short of actually impacting those. He will ultimately keep ignoring everyone, even Marmite themselves, who tell him "claiming responsibility is dumb".
Freight club in particular were massacring our jump-freighters long before Gevlon started paying the wardec fee.

When this finally sinks in, Gevlon, you can send me the remainder of your ISK as you quit the game. Put a snarky comment in the comment field if you want!

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#391 - 2014-02-22 18:22:26 UTC
Anela Cistine wrote:
This whole premise is ridiculous. Newbies are the best part of EVE. If we had 8000 newbies on our team we wouldn't leave them rotting in highsec.


Hey, I will let you know there is tremendeous fun to be had in High sec, if you don't catch carebearism that is. Decent money too. We make no pretense it's the "path to EVE victory" though.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca

Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#392 - 2014-02-22 18:25:42 UTC
Tarojan wrote:


Thanks for clearing that up. Btw Im a neut here not the goblin and Im not in lemmings. You seem to have missed that, quite probably cos yr just skimming the thread. So yr insults just went straight over my shoulder and missed. Im also new to eve (as I said) so didnt know exactly what waffles did. So thanks for telling me.


As far as I know, there are actually *three* Waffles:

1: Goonswaffle, the dark heart of the goons

2: Sniggswaffle, a training group (?) for PL (I'm not sure of the exact details)

3: Those awesome pancake-like things with little squares you can put syrup in.

Until I learned that 1 and 2 weren't the same, it was rather confusing. Thankfully I never put syrup on any of them.

Lastly, there may be *other* waffles I don't know about.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#393 - 2014-02-22 18:40:48 UTC
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