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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#361 - 2014-02-22 11:09:42 UTC
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-moron-of-day-me.html?m=1

Gevlon gets scammed of another 4b...

Remember to count to 3 before changing the price now guys.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#362 - 2014-02-22 11:11:27 UTC
Anela Cistine wrote:
This whole premise is ridiculous. Newbies are the best part of EVE. If we had 8000 newbies on our team we wouldn't leave them rotting in highsec.



Love to be a newbie in goons, but 6 months previous in something awf is /effort and without it means being scammed rite? I'll find a home eventually. Goblins point is that its prob not gonna be with you cos you have an entry requirement I cant meet (regardless how good/bad I am at eve).

Will gank for food
Derp Mc HerpaDerp
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#363 - 2014-02-22 11:14:07 UTC
From a completely unbiased outside perspective, I am going to break down this whole debate/conflict... Using the appropriate graphs, charts and statistics of course… because those are absolutely crucial to any well founded debate.

Firstly I had no idea how the Marmite Collective could swindle Gevlon out of his ISK every week for a war that they were already doing on a continual basis. Until I stumbled upon video logs of Tora coming to get his weekly payment from Gevlon;
http://imgur.com/RDVq9jm
It suddenly all makes sense.
But we can’t let this minor detail stop the whole campaign. Money has been wasted, yes, Darwin’s Lemmings might still be able to achieve victory over their target alliances… that is of course RvB and their Pets. The largest of their pets being Goonswarm (created as a secret null-sec entity to aid RvB. RvB is actually pulling the largest scam is the history of EvE by creating and puppeteering Goonswarm to their will).
Gevlon has had a mission to take the POCOs owned by RvB and Goonswarm in order to cripple their finances.
Let’s take a look at the data of POCOs that have been unable to be saved since the start of this campaign (data supplied by Khanh'rhh, thank you for your time in acquiring these statistics);
http://i.imgur.com/D7Szn3F.png
Well it appears that things are not going well for Darwin’s Lemmings at this stage of the campaign. Maybe Tora requires more money, we should look into that. In fact, can he afford to spend more? Let’s take a look at a chart of Gevlon’s finances since the start of the campaign;
http://imgur.com/vh7zhJ7
Ok not good either. But hey what does it matter… if their morale is hurting, the campaign could still be somewhat of a success;
http://imgur.com/x4dBXBb
Hmm, sanity check?
http://imgur.com/af06lUd

Gevlon, Abandon Ship!
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#364 - 2014-02-22 11:19:30 UTC
Derp Mc HerpaDerp wrote:
From a completely unbiased outside perspective, I am going to break down this whole debate/conflict... Using the appropriate graphs, charts and statistics of course… because those are absolutely crucial to any well founded debate.

Firstly I had no idea how the Marmite Collective could swindle Gevlon out of his ISK every week for a war that they were already doing on a continual basis. Until I stumbled upon video logs of Tora coming to get his weekly payment from Gevlon;
http://imgur.com/RDVq9jm
It suddenly all makes sense.
But we can’t let this minor detail stop the whole campaign. Money has been wasted, yes, Darwin’s Lemmings might still be able to achieve victory over their target alliances… that is of course RvB and their Pets. The largest of their pets being Goonswarm (created as a secret null-sec entity to aid RvB. RvB is actually pulling the largest scam is the history of EvE by creating and puppeteering Goonswarm to their will).
Gevlon has had a mission to take the POCOs owned by RvB and Goonswarm in order to cripple their finances.
Let’s take a look at the data of POCOs that have been unable to be saved since the start of this campaign (data supplied by Khanh'rhh, thank you for your time in acquiring these statistics);
http://i.imgur.com/D7Szn3F.png
Well it appears that things are not going well for Darwin’s Lemmings at this stage of the campaign. Maybe Tora requires more money, we should look into that. In fact, can he afford to spend more? Let’s take a look at a chart of Gevlon’s finances since the start of the campaign;
http://imgur.com/vh7zhJ7
Ok not good either. But hey what does it matter… if their morale is hurting, the campaign could still be somewhat of a success;
http://imgur.com/x4dBXBb
Hmm, sanity check?
http://imgur.com/af06lUd

Gevlon, Abandon Ship!






Wheres the pie chart? it doesnt count without a pie chart. WE DEMAND A PIE CHART!!!1

Will gank for food
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#365 - 2014-02-22 11:21:06 UTC
It was fun until it wasn't, so I quit Lemmings again!

We had a big fleet, and I suggested a trip into low/null and people got scared. We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked.

RvB attacked our station camp, and I was a hero, while most of my blues docked up.

Another time, someone got impatient because I only had an hour left to get my teamspeak sorted, and 5 more minutes would have been too long. Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff. Surely spies would be first to get on teamspeak?

Also, I like to listen to music, but people would rather you didn't, and get on teamspeak as soon as you log on, whether an OP is on or not.

Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?

So on paper it sounds like fun, but for some, Lemmings is serious business.

Anyway, good luck to all sides!
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#366 - 2014-02-22 11:25:07 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
It was fun until it wasn't, so I quit Lemmings again!

We had a big fleet, and I suggested a trip into low/null and people got scared. We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked.

RvB attacked our station camp, and I was a hero, while most of my blues docked up.

Another time, someone got impatient because I only had an hour left to get my teamspeak sorted, and 5 more minutes would have been too long. Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff. Surely spies would be first to get on teamspeak?

Also, I like to listen to music, but people would rather you didn't, and get on teamspeak as soon as you log on, whether an OP is on or not.

Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?

So on paper it sounds like fun, but for some, Lemmings is serious business.

Anyway, good luck to all sides!



Oh noes. Their loss. If you manage to find something thats actually fun to do will you hook me a line? I'll do the same. until then you'll find me suicide ganking people from boredem and posting here. Would you like to gank with me a bit? its funny. Sometimes.

Will gank for food
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2014-02-22 11:26:44 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
It was fun until it wasn't, so I quit Lemmings again!

We had a big fleet, and I suggested a trip into low/null and people got scared. We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked.

RvB attacked our station camp, and I was a hero, while most of my blues docked up.

Another time, someone got impatient because I only had an hour left to get my teamspeak sorted, and 5 more minutes would have been too long. Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff. Surely spies would be first to get on teamspeak?

Also, I like to listen to music, but people would rather you didn't, and get on teamspeak as soon as you log on, whether an OP is on or not.

Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?

So on paper it sounds like fun, but for some, Lemmings is serious business.

Anyway, good luck to all sides!


Reasonable decision.

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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#368 - 2014-02-22 11:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarojan
Erotica 1 wrote:
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-moron-of-day-me.html?m=1

Gevlon gets scammed of another 4b...

Remember to count to 3 before changing the price now guys.



Its a good scam, I was nearly caught twice in wow by it, but was paying attention at the time. Its the kind of thing that cacths you when yr tired or drunk. the easiest way to deal with it really IS to sit on it. Take a minute to process whats happening. As an honest buisness person I think we should all take a minute to applaud you Erotica for bringing this helpful buisness tip to our attention. May I say I'm relieved that a person of your standing in our community is dedicating themselves to the ernest task of informing us of these scams while providing the valuable services you do to the community

Will gank for food
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#369 - 2014-02-22 11:57:11 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff.


Having to listen to Lemmings TS for half the day is the worst job I ever took on for my glorious master, Lord Powers. I feel like I'm being punished for something.

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Domino Artan
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2014-02-22 13:02:22 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Anela Cistine wrote:
This whole premise is ridiculous. Newbies are the best part of EVE. If we had 8000 newbies on our team we wouldn't leave them rotting in highsec.



Love to be a newbie in goons, but 6 months previous in something awf is /effort and without it means being scammed rite? I'll find a home eventually. Goblins point is that its prob not gonna be with you cos you have an entry requirement I cant meet (regardless how good/bad I am at eve).


You can get into GSF without getting into Waffe.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#371 - 2014-02-22 13:14:56 UTC
Istyn wrote:

We have no involvement in Marmite alliance/leadership decisions, etc., just a mutually beneficial arrangement.


well, your arrangement now means gevlon has purchased the credit for everything that you do, i suggest you get used to it :sun:

when you screw up of course he'll generously give you the credit

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#372 - 2014-02-22 13:45:50 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
On a different note: did you people notice that in the thread "RvB is a Goon scam" 90% of the posts are coming from Goons (and a certain Spacemonkey). This isn't the best way to eliminate the suspicion.


you're right, it's not
instead, we're relentlessly bumping this thread trying to see your hilarious posts seen by as many people as possible

what does that tell you

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#373 - 2014-02-22 13:53:36 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
...We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked...

I hope you know that was a joke. If not, then I sincerely apologize.

Renegade Heart wrote:
...Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?...

In future our exact intentions will be announced in public, just so everyone will be clear. (Sorry, that was another lame attempt at a joke - I am not very good at this.)
Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#374 - 2014-02-22 14:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Xaerael Endiel
Renegade Heart wrote:
It was fun until it wasn't, so I quit Lemmings again!

We had a big fleet, and I suggested a trip into low/null and people got scared. We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked.

RvB attacked our station camp, and I was a hero, while most of my blues docked up.

Another time, someone got impatient because I only had an hour left to get my teamspeak sorted, and 5 more minutes would have been too long. Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff. Surely spies would be first to get on teamspeak?

Also, I like to listen to music, but people would rather you didn't, and get on teamspeak as soon as you log on, whether an OP is on or not.

Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?

So on paper it sounds like fun, but for some, Lemmings is serious business.

Anyway, good luck to all sides!


They're not saying it's a POCO bash because Lemmings is so badly organised and riddled with spies that if it was announced as a POCO bash, a fight might actually happen. Instead, Lemming line members will be tricked into boring pointless structure shoots that amount to nothing, because when they come out of ref, no one from Lemmings will dare to actually enter a system with more than 3 goons in.

Standard Lemming Vs Goons formup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#375 - 2014-02-22 14:17:52 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
...We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked...

I hope you know that was a joke. If not, then I sincerely apologize.

Renegade Heart wrote:
...Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?...

In future our exact intentions will be announced in public, just so everyone will be clear. (Sorry, that was another lame attempt at a joke - I am not very good at this.)



I gave you guys a full 20 minutes after I quit the fleet to respond to me before I quit the alliance, but there was nothing said to persuade me that staying was going to be worth it. I had been considering leaving anyway, and this for me was merely the final straw.

Also, your joke was not obvious to be fair, since there was no lol or smiley, or anything else in fact. And I did not find it funny either! If someone tried, I may have returned to the fleet, but I got the impression that I wasn't really wanted.

In the end though, I do mean it when I say I wish you guys luck because underdogs are cool.

Xaerael Endiel wrote:
They're not saying it's a POCO bash because Lemmings is so badly organised and riddled with spies that if it was announced as a POCO bash, a fight might actually happen. Instead, Lemming line members will be tricked into boring pointless structure shoots that amount to nothing, because when they come out of ref, no one from Lemmings will dare to actually enter a system with more than 3 goons in.


I don't understand that attitude. Spies are going to be on comms relaying every move back to the enemy as it happens anyway, since it is so easy to get into the alliance.

We had a "VFK Fun Roam" advertised, and I would have happily gone on that one in my cane. In Mordus Angels we had some fun in VFK so I expected something similar with Lemmings, but it was not to be.
Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#376 - 2014-02-22 14:37:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Xaerael Endiel
Renegade Heart wrote:

We had a "VFK Fun Roam" advertised, and I would have happily gone on that one in my cane. In Mordus Angels we had some fun in VFK so I expected something similar with Lemmings, but it was not to be.


If it hasn't happened this week, it'll never happen. This week was the chance for anyone and everyone to mess about in Dek while so many people were on the hellcamp.

The chances of Lemmings ever seeing VFK is pretty much zero. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I feel that the real biggest scam is telling newbies and random pubs that they have a chance against CFC proper, while under the guidance of such incompetent leadership.

e.

Also, if we even cared about countering a POCO ref attempt, we'd have done it by now. Structures being ref'd is a common daily event for a null corp. The only time anyone really cares and forms up is when it's coming out of ref, and that's when the aggressor's intentions are revealed.
WaterMarks
The Keywork
#377 - 2014-02-22 14:52:15 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


scam is where newbies are lured into a fun wargame group under false pretenses and promptly brainwashed into goon hisec sock-puppets and thrown under the bus.
Would all RVB members be in RVB if they knew they were just goon hisec cannon fodder?D.

Bear



why most nabz join RvB is to shoot **** and die, all while learning pvp. it doesnt matter who and for what the target is. there is no 'FALSE PRETENSES' every one who joins RvB joins to pvp simple as that.

and gevlon stop trying to drag every one into ur personal vendetta against goons.
yes we get it u dont like goons... i dont like goons(first guy that killed me was a goon and i hold grudges)
H E LL man, even goons dont like goons...

but this 'Holy Crusade' u have against goons is anoying.

on the upside i hope u bring more wars to RvB, then i might join back up to get my pew pew on

-Fly Reckless-
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#378 - 2014-02-22 14:54:15 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:

Wait, Gevlon's autism support group has 366 members? Jesus, they're like five times the size of MINILUV, and we still do ten times the damage.

This is an important point Goblin forgets. On paper we have tens of thousands of pilots, but only about 70 of them care about Highsec. So he might think he's leading the 300 against Xerxes horde, but he's really getting beat down by a few dozen guys on vacation from the real wars.


Yep, or if you compare them to SniggWaffe who are still larger than MiniLuv (as far as I know) yet half the size roughly than this supposed "Goon Killing alliance" you have:

JANUARY

Darwins Lemmings - 366 members across 36 corporations
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darwins_Lemmings
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=9713

Kills - 802
ISK equivalent in kills - 68.44 Billion

Losses -269
ISK equivalent in losses - 11.24 Billion

Efficiency - 85.89%


SniggWaffe - 230 members in SniggWaffe, 2 members in our executor corp. (35 in a Russian corp we did a test period with)*
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/WAFFLES./corporations
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=9296


Kills - 4,560
ISK equivalent in kills - 1.9 Trillion

Losses - 1,739
ISK equivalent in losses - 67.75 Billion

Efficiency - 96.65%

*Black Mesa Inc were a part of Waffles during January and had the following statistics:

Kills - 27
ISK in kills - 1.31 Billion

Losses - 11
ISK in losses - 0.1 Billion

Which accounts for a minuscule amount of the damages in both kills and losses for the month. They left Waffles having not garnered any kills in February.

FEBRUARY

Darwins Lemmings

Kills - 2,141
ISK equivalent in kills - 104.1 Billion

Losses - 642
ISK equivalent in losses - 25.92 Billion

Efficiency - 80.07%


SniggWaffe

Kills - 4,018
ISK equivalent - 175.58 Billion

Losses - 1,328
ISK equivalent in losses - 50.10 Billion

Efficiency - 77.80%


SniggWaffe, a corp with 200 fewer pilots, can deal over twice as many kills at minimum (February saw our return to lowsec after the south east finished up) than Gevlon's attempt at an alliance to deal damage to Goons. Waffles also finance themselves individually and don't have an ISK reserve that is close to what Gevlon claims to be.

Basically a training corp for a "Goon pet" in Pandemic Legion can do more than Gevlon's entire alliance with Marmite Collective doing all the heavy work. It's quite sad really, and these numbers are hard to lie about.



Your null sec though right? you go hunting in low sec, fight null sec scraps and have the bat phone to PL supers that makes squashing any low sec gang with its tail up a trivial task. I dont follow how yr stats are relevant. Not trying to diss you btw, I am new to eve. I do think though yr comparing apples to oranges.


Waffles are not anything. We fight everywhere, even Hisec and we never call PL supers unless absolutely necessary (i.e. when we're killing a super which isn't often). I know you have a hard time comprehending reality, especially when it doesn't suit your narrative, but making **** up like that is pretty much why people mock you for being stupid.

My stats are relevant since Waffles run subcaps predominately and are more efficient at taking out our "targets" without the supposed mass funding you claim to provide Marmite and your autism support network. Your "accomplishments" as an alliance are in reality evidence that you're a paper tiger and can't even succeed at what people much smaller than you do, let alone what you attempt to set out to do yourself.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#379 - 2014-02-22 14:59:08 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
It was fun until it wasn't, so I quit Lemmings again!

We had a big fleet, and I suggested a trip into low/null and people got scared. We had another fleet, and I speculated on the purpose, and got threatened with being kicked.

RvB attacked our station camp, and I was a hero, while most of my blues docked up.

Another time, someone got impatient because I only had an hour left to get my teamspeak sorted, and 5 more minutes would have been too long. Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff. Surely spies would be first to get on teamspeak?

Also, I like to listen to music, but people would rather you didn't, and get on teamspeak as soon as you log on, whether an OP is on or not.

Also they like to lie about OPs before taking you on a POCO bash. Isn't that sort of a scam?

So on paper it sounds like fun, but for some, Lemmings is serious business.

Anyway, good luck to all sides!


Sounds like a great place for people who hate Goons to really learn to hate Goons and not the leadership/group.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#380 - 2014-02-22 15:01:17 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
Then when I got on teamspeak, people were talking about how those that weren't were spies and stuff.


Having to listen to Lemmings TS for half the day is the worst job I ever took on for my glorious master, Lord Powers. I feel like I'm being punished for something.


It's your posts. He's punishing you for your awful posting.