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I would like for the Phoenix to finally be made viable.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-22 13:15:27 UTC
Too many people have fallen into the trap of being fans of battlestar galatica, trained for caldari cap ships only to waste millions of skill points. Please tell me that I am not the only one who wanted to defeat the cylons?

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Dave Stark
#2 - 2014-02-22 13:17:03 UTC
i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-22 13:19:46 UTC
Tbh, I think we can all agree that the Phoenix is pretty rubbish. :P
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#4 - 2014-02-22 13:27:37 UTC
Look at it the brigth way, it has the highest survival rate of all dreadnoughts. Probably because nobody targets it.... heared rumours that titans can speed-tank a Phoenix Dreadnought, albeit it sounds a bit exaggerated.

Also on Dreadnaughts being trained for looks, I'm sure the Naglfar crowd has it's fair share of fans too, looks like a rusted version of the Hiigari mothership from Homeworld. But at least those guys did got an improvement not too long ago.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2014-02-22 13:32:32 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.

This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful

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Dave Stark
#6 - 2014-02-22 13:46:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.

This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful

so are many other things.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#7 - 2014-02-22 14:06:51 UTC
Hey.

Leave my scanning dreadnought out of this.
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#8 - 2014-02-22 14:07:44 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Look at it the brigth way, it has the highest survival rate of all dreadnoughts. Probably because nobody targets it.... heared rumours that titans can speed-tank a Phoenix Dreadnought, albeit it sounds a bit exaggerated.


Actually, it's not exaggerated, anything that moves faster than about 50m/s can speedtank a phoenix. yes, that means even freighters can SPEEDtank a phoenix in siege.


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Major 'Revolver' Ocelot
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-22 16:06:39 UTC
Have they ever had a go at changing it in the past?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#10 - 2014-02-22 16:24:15 UTC
There's some talk about making it revenant again.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-02-22 17:30:19 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.

This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful

so are many other things.



I'm interested in your list of ships or mods that carriers can speedtank

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Dave Stark
#12 - 2014-02-22 17:39:04 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.

This might be the exception that proves the rule. The pheonix is pretty awful

so are many other things.



I'm interested in your list of ships or mods that carriers can speedtank


pretty sure you've quoted the wrong post there, malc.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-02-22 17:41:03 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
There's some talk about making it revenant again.

That pun was physically painful. Let me go scrub my eyeballs now.

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The Inf3cted
Pathog3n
#14 - 2014-02-22 17:43:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i'm sorry but when people say "wasted sp" it's a pretty good indicator that they're either uninformed or whining. usually both.

Give one example in PvP where the phoenix is even mediocre. Fact is you can't, remember pvp not pvps. Maybe in this case you the person you describe in your post :/
Marsan
#15 - 2014-02-22 17:51:10 UTC
I'm pretty sure he meant "pretty awful" not "speed tanking". In any case there is hope. CCP is gradually rebalancing all ships. They have done most of the ships in the game. Basically they have the pirate faction ships, and the blops left to rebalance before the capital ships. Which at the rate they are going it's going mean they'll likely be rebalancing caps this winter. (As I expect pirate faction ships and possibly blop to be rebalanced this summer.)


PS- Personally I've been buying up the cheapest pirate ships, and blops in hopes they will jump in price, then I'll likely roll that isk into the Phoenix, and under performing carriers. Although dreads and carriers are much more dangerous investment as they are mostly minerals in value which rise and fall independent of the usefulness of ships.

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Beach Boys
The Minions.
#16 - 2014-02-22 18:49:58 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Too many people have fallen into the trap of being fans of battlestar galatica, trained for caldari cap ships only to waste millions of skill points. Please tell me that I am not the only one who wanted to defeat the cylons?


I'm Caldari in the game as well, I understand but you have to suck it up and keep training. Not all the Caldari ships are bad tho Rokh is good Ferox got a new breath of life after hybrid changes, And the well uh... OH yeah hams are beast now so yeah.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#17 - 2014-02-22 19:26:24 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
waste millions of skill points


The only place you should see that phrase is in the Character Bazaar by people trying to negotiate a cheaper price. There are very few ways you can legitimately say you have wasted SP.

Mr Epeen Cool
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#18 - 2014-02-22 19:28:55 UTC
Give it bonuses and hardpoints for hybrids. There, fixed.

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Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-02-22 19:51:24 UTC
1) work out the proper role for shield caps and supers
2) make phoenix play well in that

Perhaps shields should be overall tankier (better resists, instant RR) and armor more hp to survive alpha? That way shield counter would be alpha, and armor would counter alpha. Armor counter would be raw dps.
Jackka
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-02-22 21:18:36 UTC
Maybe people that want to fly Pheonixes can get together with people who want to fly Hels and have a weekly support group thread. lol

"Hi, my name is Jackka and I'm a 7 year EVE player.
I've been wanting to fly the Hel for a couple years now and I haven't lost hope yet that CCP will make these ships somewhat sensible to fly. Sometimes I want to punch Archon pilots in the face. ....."

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lmao
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