EVE General Discussion

As for low skill (think skill=level, every time a skill finishes you level up, yay!) PvE there is nothing unless you make some friends and run missions or run deadspace sites together.

Yes those are the basic logistics ships, they are not shiny but a start down that path, and yes, I would imagine if you offered to fly one of those ships, yes they would fly with you.

As for skills to train it really comes down to what you want to work on, feel like your ship is not holding together? Train tanking skills. Think your not doing enough dps? Train gunnery/missile skills. Be sure not to forget the support skills along the way (engineering, electronics, capacitor skills)

Whatever path you choose, you will want these 2 apps to help guide your character advancement. Evemon for skill planning and EFT to properly fit your ship.

http://evemon.battleclinic.com/
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359

One thing I will warn you about right now. Read everything before hitting accept. Especially contracts.

For the most part, scamming is encouraged in this game. Contract scamming is very common in high traffic areas.

If something sounds too good to be true, it is. Don't ever give anyone money to double. Don't ever "sell" a tritanium to "get" the money from someone who is "leaving". Don't ever buy a carbon that is in place of a Charon.

Just please, read carefully.





*Unless its me, you can trust me.

Hi Alara here to answer all of your questions.


Nope, they have yet to add Low Level Group PvE. You best doing the Higher Level Solo stuff in small groups. Or just doing the Solo stuff till you skill up.


Drake is a good all round ship but it will not get you a lot of High Level PvE action. The Abbadon and Maelstrom are highly regarded for group PvE and Fleet PvP. The Maelstrom has a much lower skill requirement as the Abbadon needs a lot of Capacitor and T2 Weapons to be hugely effective. The Hurricane like the Drake is a very commonly used PvP Ships as well.

Incursions are similar to Raids as well as Wormhole Sleeper Sites which require a co-ordinated Group in Wormhole above at or above C3. Level 5 Missions and some DED Complexes also need a group to beat them.


They are terrible beyond belief. Poor Capacitor, Fitting and Tank with split bonuses. Anything real group will instapop them and anything PvP will also instapop them. Best to avoid that thought and train up Logi once your combat ship is sorted out.


Starting PvE is all about Solo while starting PvP is all about Group. A Meta 4 Weapon Battleship like the Maelstrom does not take a long time to skill into. Battleship 3-4, L Projectiles 3-4, Important Gunnery Skills to 4, Weapons Upgrade 5 Adv Weapons Upgrade 4, Drones 5, Drone Interfacing 3 Scout Drones 5 and your Tanking Skills to 4 and you are pretty much set. In all not that long. Other Gallente/Cadari Rail Battleships will be better after the Expansion, Ravens good Solo but Okish in group, Dominix has a very high SP Requirement, the Abbadon needs T2 Guns which take a couple of months to get large and the Apoc is better for Amarr beginners. Pick a Battleship and learn everything about it before you start skilling.

Training Logistic Ships however will take a bit more time do the the extensive Cap and Tanking Skills you need. You will get them all started training your combat ship though. You should download 2 Programs, EFT and EVEMon. EFT is the fitting tool which will let you see the stats of each ship and how skills and modules effect them. EVEMon is a Skill Planner that helps you sort out what you want and gives you a time frame.

Welcome to EVE. Some of us are in fact nice. =/

Hoo boy…

First of all, forget everything you know about MMOs, and most of the things you know about RPGs. It's far quicker that way that trying to match how things work here with how you are used to them working (because that will most likely just trip you up and make you come to completely the wrong conclusions). EVE does not have levels; it does not have any XP; it does not have any classes; it does not have any ability trees; hell, technically speaking, it doesn't even have any PvE. If you spot something you think looks like any of those things, then trust me: it won't work that way.

That last part is particularly important, and it is a common stumbling block for new players, so it's better you learn it ASAP — while there are situations where you'll find yourself shooting at NPCs (colloquially called “rats”), you are doing so in competition with other players, and those other players will have a myriad of ways of stopping you and generally screw you over… some of which you definitely will not like.

The reason people have the knee-jerk reaction of calling you a WoW troll is because it's so common to see people come here from a WoW:ish background and assume that things will be the same as back in their old game, and then they get all huffy when it turns out that no, EVE does not work that way. At all. In particular when they falsely assume that they are safe in space and that they are entitled to “just doing their thing”, things will get really funny. So learn that lesson now: EVE does not support that gameplay. It doesn't exist. If you do not like PvP in its many incarnations (only some of which come in the form of combat), then EVE will have very little to offer you. If you expect to be able to play this game, and think the same way you do in WoW, you are up for never-ending disappointment. Nor should you expect much support for any sentiment that things should work like they do in WoW, because, again, it's a completely different game built on vastly different foundations, and 99 percent [random number] of the WoW:ish “improvements” people bring to these boards are fundamentally incompatible with how EVE works (one of the reasons the patience for the aforementioned WoW trolls is particularly worn thin is because they tend to get horribly upset when anyone tries to explain this fact to them).

So what is there to do then? Well, a hell of a lot, and for most of it, you can pick and choose your way of doing it. There are some basic philosophies along the lines of what works well and what does not (and what is downright stupid), but other than that, there is no “best” way of doing things. Neither is there any particular route or progression you need to follow — and this is the important bit: the game will not give you any direction. It is all up to you.

There is no end-game beyond what you set up for yourself. Conversely, there is precious little “new-game” except what you want to limit yourself to in order to not to get overwhelmed and/or not risk too much, but it's all your choice. If you want to run lower-end missions and highsec explorations as a group, you can do that. If you want to run them on your own, you can do that. If you want to gang up and try some intermediary missions or low-sec exploration, you can do that. If you want to go off and blow up a titan (the most expensive normal ship in the game), you can do that… although you'll probably need some help with that one. There are no limits to what you can do except the ones you set up for yourself, but as mentioned that freedom also comes at the cost of you having to create your own gameplay, because the game will not provide any.


So, while your question has largely been answered, let's dissect it:

“What's the best ship”… None. There is no best ship. Any ship you find will have strengths and weaknesses that makes it better than some and worse than others. There are some ships that are the top of the heap for one particular purpose or one specific situation, but as soon as you take them outside of that comfort zone, they're horrid.

”Most like a warrior?”… None. EVE doesn't have classes. What it does have is loosely defined roles. There might be some mapping between the two because of how broad or general those roles are (“repping” ↔ healing, for instance), but the complexity of the system and the subjectivity and contextuality of those uses mean that any such mapping will be very imprecise and prove to be false half the time.

So the question you need to ask is “I want to do X in situations Y and Z, what are my options?”, and then expect roughly 85 bajillion different answers — all of them legitimate.

...Lots of people recommending an immediate move into battle ship class. I can not say I agree with that advice. In most cases, a new player is much better off sticking with cruisers and battle cruisers to begin with while training up the support skills needed to actually make a BS effective. (Frigs are generally less SP intensive, but are less forgiving of lack of experience.)

I just recently trained into Battle Ships and I currently only own one, which only really gets used to melt carriers and what not on very rare occasions.

Are battle ships the best platform for endlessly grinding out lvl 4 missions for maximum isk per hour? Yes they are. Where the hell is the fun in that?

Go fit up a ninja ratter or an exploration ship and spend your time dodging low sec pirates while trying to turn a profit. Grab a rifter and try your own hand at ransoming unsuspecting travelers. Play the market and snatch your fortunes from those who lack the insight to predict market trends. Build a trading empire in the most dangerous region of space you can get your blockade runner into.

Go experience the game and the complex network of player interactions that make it what it is; instead of simply running the same 10 scripted missions over and over.

I have watched quite a few people make a start in this game. By far the ones who enjoyed it the most and continue to play it to this day are the ones who never spoke to an agent.

Interesting opinion (one that seems to run counter to most of the advice i've read). Thanks.

I have done some missions already and they seem fairly low on the totem pole of content in the game (although i've got no point of comparison to anything but what i have read). All I know thus far is:

-mining looks to be the worst game mechanic of any game every created and I can only assume it's done entirely by UO-style macros
-exploration missions (at least the tutorials) require skills I don't have yet and scanning should be fun to figure out
-"highsec" is apparently dangerous as anywhere else (I watched someone explode in my newbie system after taking some "free ammo," from a jettisoned space canister)
-Corporation recruitment channel is full of people who want me to pay them isk for the right to apply to their corp (I don't know if this is a common practice, but it seems like some kind of con to me)
-the default corporation I start in taxes my money and gives me nothing to show for it

BTW Evemon and battleclinic are totally amazing, i've learned more in the last hour than I did in my whole trial week.

Damn you new forums....

seriously?

Falling for trollbait is something you'll need to learn not to do.

Some rookies get butthurt because they aren't creative enough to entertain themselves at earlier stages even though that was my most fun time in eve. I remember my first wardec when I realized our CEO wasn't going to organize us for a fight I started to with absolutely no experience. The infiltrated spy reported it to his corp and they dropped the dec no fight needed. You only get to be a rookie once. Make the most of it.