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Sergeant Sassy Pants

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#1 - 2014-02-22 02:32:38 UTC

[Ishtar, Blood/Sansha Low/Null Ded plexing]

[Low]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II

[Mid]
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

[High]
Core Probe Launcher I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

[Rig]
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I

[Drone]
Garde I x5
Hobgoblin II x5

This is my first time trying to PvE with drone boat, and I know nothing about drone PvE :(
Could this fit work on Blood/Sansha Low/Null Ded plexing?

I also want to ask what drone combination I need to use when PvE. Seems like Sentry drone alone won't do the job after the patch.

I am yet to have T2 sentry because of skill, but surely will get hands on soon.

Thanks for all ya'lls reading this ;)

Templars HIghsec Stellar Fusion 95
Gh0stBust3rs Templars HIghsec Stellar Fusion Likes received: 95	#2 - 2014-02-22 08:09:17 UTC do you need the faction hardeners due to cpu issues? If not use T2 Have you considered a Reactive Armor Hardener+ a EM? Native Therm Resist is pretty high already Whats your plans if they nuet you/ get on top of you? Your tank looks more like a burst then a stable one.

Sergeant Sassy Pants

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#3 - 2014-02-22 08:47:26 UTC

Gh0stBust3rs wrote:

do you need the faction hardeners due to cpu issues?
If not use T2

Have you considered a Reactive Armor Hardener+ a EM?
Native Therm Resist is pretty high already

Whats your plans if they nuet you/ get on top of you?
Your tank looks more like a burst then a stable one.

Hey, that's a real solid advice. Didn't thought of nuet situation.
Thank you Gh0stBust3rs

Berasus

Ice station zebra

Likes received: 32

#4 - 2014-02-22 08:51:15 UTC | Edited by: Berasus

Gh0stBust3rs wrote:

do you need the faction hardeners due to cpu issues?
If not use T2

Yep, eft'd the fit. it's 2% over on cpu with max skills.

Try this instead:

I used to use this to run sansha anoms up to forlorn hub before the omni nerf. It still works you just switch drones / scripts to suit what you're shooting at rather than just dropping gardes and blapping anything and everything while semi-afk watching a movie.

You can dump small remote reps to fit your cloak etc if you want tho i wouldn't bother with a tractor, better to carry a mobile tractor unit. The afterburner will serve you better than the mwd in pve, You can run the AB cap stable with the tank and orbit your sentries to greatly reduce the damage you take.

751 dps with garde II's and relevant drone skills on V
541 dps with garde I's with sentry interfacing 4 and drone interfacing 4.

[Ishtar, New Setup 3]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Dark Blood Armor EM Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Medium Capacitor Battery II
10MN Afterburner II

Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Garde II x5
Warrior II x 5
Tho you can still hit a decent range with gardes it's always a good idea to carry a longer range sentry too.

Sergeant Sassy Pants

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#5 - 2014-02-22 09:22:05 UTC

Berasus wrote:

Gh0stBust3rs wrote:

do you need the faction hardeners due to cpu issues?
If not use T2

Thank you. I will definitely try this fit right away. ;)

Dan Rae

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#6 - 2014-02-22 10:36:11 UTC | Edited by: Dan Rae

Have you considered a shield fit? I do L4's in this using Warden II's and Garde II's. The main reason I switched from armour to shields is not for the DPS increase but mostly for the massive EHP boost you can get over armour.

[Ishtar, Shield PvE]

[Low]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

[Mid]
10MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Extender II

[High]
200mm Prototype Guass Gun I (Antimatter M) x4

[Rig]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

[Drone]
Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warden II x5
Salvage Drone I x5

The guns are more for show. With all skills at 5, here's the numbers.

DPS: 935 with Garde II's. (will do 800DPS without guns, if you don't want them)
EHP: 36.9K.
Cap: Stable with all mods running.

Silvetica Dian

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#7 - 2014-02-22 12:41:47 UTC

Dan Rae wrote:

You can shield fit an ishtar and many people do.
This fit however mixes buffer with active and is therefore poor. Active shield tanks use resists and shield booster amplifiers to maximise the repping. Buffer fits are largely for PVP. You can passive shield tank a PVE ishtar but that doesn't involve using a repper in the mids.

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Dan Rae

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 24

#8 - 2014-02-22 13:52:58 UTC

Silvetica Dian wrote:

Dan Rae wrote:

Yeah so swap out the LSE II for a boost amplifier and bob's your uncle.

Berasus

Ice station zebra

Likes received: 32

#9 - 2014-02-22 15:06:59 UTC | Edited by: Berasus

Dan Rae wrote:

Yeah so swap out the LSE II for a boost amplifier and bob's your uncle.

Couple things
You dont need that capacitor control circuit. Eft shows cap stable at 43% without it.
You've given up too many mid slots to tank, omni's are worth their weight in gold. At first i was thinking it would be better to lose a little tank in order to get some omnis on the ship but playing with the fit i actually managed to get an equally good tank using up loss slots (and a moderately less expensive booster).

[Ishtar, New Setup 4]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script

Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Small Remote Armor Repairer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Garde II x5

A quick googling says sanshas deal 53% em 47% thermal. Plugging that into eft gives
your fit - 201 / second tank - bit more if you make the boost amplifier change and replace the CCC with a tanking rig, but not worth losing omnis.
my fit - 207 / second tank + able to fit 2 omni tracking links
both cap stable
As comparison the armor fit i put up before does 225 / second, fits 3 omnis instead of 2 and doesn't use any expensive deadspace modules.

Quick eve-market.com consultation shows the medium pithum c booster to be a fair bit cheaper than the pithii a type, so it's a bit cheaper too. unnecessary bling is bad (downgrade to T2 if doing things that don't need the extra 60-70 / second tank the c type booster gives

Dan Rae

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 24

#10 - 2014-02-22 15:25:10 UTC

Berasus wrote:

Dan Rae wrote:

Yeah so swap out the LSE II for a boost amplifier and bob's your uncle.

Couple things
You dont need that capacitor control circuit. Eft shows cap stable at 43% without it.
You've given up too many mid slots to tank, omni's are worth their weight in gold. At first i was thinking it would be better to lose a little tank in order to get some omnis on the ship but playing with the fit i actually managed to get an equally good tank using up loss slots.

[Ishtar, New Setup 4]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
EM Ward Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script

Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Remote Armor Repairer II
Small Remote Armor Repairer II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II

Garde II x5

A quick googling says sanshas deal 53% em 47% thermal. Plugging that into eft gives
your fit - 201 / second tank - bit more if you make the boost amplifier change and replace the CCC with a tanking rig, but not worth losing omnis.
my fit - 207 / second tank + able to fit 2 omni tracking links
both cap stable
As comparison the armor fit i put up before does 152 / second

Quick eve-market.com consultation shows the medium pithum c booster to be a fair bit cheaper than the pithii a type, so it's a bit cheaper too. unnecessary bling is bad (downgrade to T2 if doing things that don't need the extra 60-70 / second tank the c type booster gives

That's actually a really cool fit that I'm gonna try out too, cheers for that :)


Berasus Ice station zebra Likes received: 32	#11 - 2014-02-22 15:33:07 UTC Edited my last post, forgot to set it to sansha damage types when working out the tank of the armor fit. The armor fit comes out to 225 / second, so it's a little better than both shield fits (mostly due to the higher base em/therm resists on armor) and doesn't need a deadspace module to do it.

Onictus

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#12 - 2014-02-22 19:33:19 UTC

Berasus wrote:

Edited my last post, forgot to set it to sansha damage types when working out the tank of the armor fit. The armor fit comes out to 225 / second, so it's a little better than both shield fits (mostly due to the higher base em/therm resists on armor) and doesn't need a deadspace module to do it.

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faction hardeners cost next to nothing.

Your thermal should be more than sufficient native, I likely wouldn't even run a thermal just add a EM for general use, my a faction thermal for 8/10s and 10/10s.

Since ishtars are essentially immune to battleship damage (seriously, they can't touch it) you really just need to clear eliete frigs and annoying crap like neut towers out of the way for victory,


Sergeant Sassy Pants Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 0	#13 - 2014-02-23 00:56:31 UTC So many good fits over the night :O Thanks to all of you good people!

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Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Templars HIghsec

Stellar Fusion

Ice station zebra

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation