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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#281 - 2014-02-21 17:49:57 UTC
Actually, perhaps trolling you so much that your only response is to throw all your money at a third party who don't even like you, is the greatest scam of EvE online.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#282 - 2014-02-21 17:51:34 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Quote:
So one man enabling 7.1% damage of a 40000 men coalition is failure

You're not enabling it (since they were doing this before you even had 10mil ISK to your name) you've just decided to pick up the bill for it.
It's roughly akin to someone donating money to a restuarant, then telling all their friends they're a great chef. One does not equal another.

In fact, you have explicitly stated that you would at no point actually help run or organise anything, which is tantamount to openly admitting you lack the ability to be the enabler.

I know you really, really hope that people will believe that you are causing the losses, but you aren't, and no one does. I don't even think you do, either. You're just so locked into this now you can't back down, even if you have to look ever more ridiculous with each claim.

It's actually beautiful, when you think of it. We know you can't back out. You know you can't/won't back out. So, by hardly lifting a finger, we've gotten ourselves into a position where you're just throwing all your money away for literally no reason.

Our win condition is you keep throwing your money away and blog about it, fyi.

(Oh and keep all our POCOs, but then that's a self evident truth anyway).


Hey, Khanh'rhh. I'm going to send you 10m to support your posting habit, but I get to take credit for all your snappy one liners. Deal?
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#283 - 2014-02-21 17:58:23 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Quote:
So one man enabling 7.1% damage of a 40000 men coalition is failure

You're not enabling it (since they were doing this before you even had 10mil ISK to your name) you've just decided to pick up the bill for it.
It's roughly akin to someone donating money to a restuarant, then telling all their friends they're a great chef. One does not equal another.

In fact, you have explicitly stated that you would at no point actually help run or organise anything, which is tantamount to openly admitting you lack the ability to be the enabler.

I know you really, really hope that people will believe that you are causing the losses, but you aren't, and no one does. I don't even think you do, either. You're just so locked into this now you can't back down, even if you have to look ever more ridiculous with each claim.

It's actually beautiful, when you think of it. We know you can't back out. You know you can't/won't back out. So, by hardly lifting a finger, we've gotten ourselves into a position where you're just throwing all your money away for literally no reason.

Our win condition is you keep throwing your money away and blog about it, fyi.

(Oh and keep all our POCOs, but then that's a self evident truth anyway).


Hey, Khanh'rhh. I'm going to send you 10m to support your posting habit, but I get to take credit for all your snappy one liners. Deal?


Will I get to see excel graphs of my posting before and after?

This is important.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#284 - 2014-02-21 18:01:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Quote:
So one man enabling 7.1% damage of a 40000 men coalition is failure

You're not enabling it (since they were doing this before you even had 10mil ISK to your name) you've just decided to pick up the bill for it.
It's roughly akin to someone donating money to a restuarant, then telling all their friends they're a great chef. One does not equal another.

In fact, you have explicitly stated that you would at no point actually help run or organise anything, which is tantamount to openly admitting you lack the ability to be the enabler.

I know you really, really hope that people will believe that you are causing the losses, but you aren't, and no one does. I don't even think you do, either. You're just so locked into this now you can't back down, even if you have to look ever more ridiculous with each claim.

It's actually beautiful, when you think of it. We know you can't back out. You know you can't/won't back out. So, by hardly lifting a finger, we've gotten ourselves into a position where you're just throwing all your money away for literally no reason.

Our win condition is you keep throwing your money away and blog about it, fyi.

(Oh and keep all our POCOs, but then that's a self evident truth anyway).


Hey, Khanh'rhh. I'm going to send you 10m to support your posting habit, but I get to take credit for all your snappy one liners. Deal?


Will I get to see excel graphs of my posting before and after?

This is important.


Of course, I am MINILUV's premier graphic artists.

edit: that poster was referencing a one month period as well. It's instructive to realize that Goblin's Folly can manage 8.7% of what MINILUV can.
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2014-02-21 18:08:59 UTC
About Burn Jita:

Some RvB members think that ganking is great fun. As burn jita was going to be an extravaganza of ganking, RvB decided to join in the fun. That's the extent of that. I know you think it's evidence of deep strategic cooperation, but that isn't how we operate.

About that long quote from Mangala:

I am 99% sure that this was just something Gevlon wrote, that he hoped Mang *would* have written. I'll try to confirm.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#286 - 2014-02-21 18:10:35 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Had you have gone to RvB before RvBee and put an offer on the table - then the outcome is unknown.

You are evading the question. I couldn't do that, because I couldn't care less about POCOs. They started to interest me when I saw the alliance tag on them. So the question is what could diplomacy do to me after RvBee was done?

Khanh'rhh wrote:

You're not enabling it (since they were doing this before you even had 10mil ISK to your name) you've just decided to pick up the bill for it. It's roughly akin to someone donating money to a restuarant, then telling all their friends they're a great chef. One does not equal another.

Goonswarm: replacing facts with propaganda since 2006. TLDR: Marmite was in war with GSF for 141 days in 2013. I enable them to be at war with GSF for 365 days in 2014. (Or, you can surrender) Also, Lemmings didn't exist at all, so all their damage is enabled by me.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#287 - 2014-02-21 18:12:22 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

Khanh'rhh wrote:

Christ man, why haven't you slinked off in shame yet? Is this not embarassment enough? How many billions do you need to throw in the bin before you will finally realise you should have backed out in week one, when you realised you would need to actually fight for them?

In January Goons and pets lost 135B to Lemmings and Marmites. I'm embarrassed.


CFC and pets losses by alliance for 2/14:

GSF - 574.00b
CO2 - 225.36b
RZR - 105.95b
FA - 178.31b
EXE - 36.87b
PBLRD - 180.90b
FCON - 169.57b
GENTS - 86.55b
LAWN - 46.03b
SMA - 76.01b
TNT - 57.42b
RVB-R - 98.27b
RVB-B - 73.77b
TOTAL - 1,909.01b

Goblin's Folly - 135b or 7.1%

Funnily enough I would wager if you look at any month previous to Goblin's Folly, I bet the loss numbers would be the same. The same number of idiots would be killed by concord, or on the Jita/Amarr undock even without Goblin throwing money at it. But, cling tightly to your sunk cost fallacy there, kiddo.


I forgot PL were our pets.
-10.0 - 98.38b
N0MAD - 51.24b
B0T - 269.02b
TOTAL - 2327.65

Which brings Goblin's Folly down to 5.8%
Uba Stij
Doomheim
#288 - 2014-02-21 18:14:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Uba Stij
Pete Butcher wrote:

Can you image the amount of hilarious sperging you will have to write when you ultimately fail this?


Having seen the type of people that are in Gevlons Sponsored Pet Alliance, I can. They genuinely think they're winning. It's great, I want to see them cry more than Gevlon already cries about Goons when it fails.


Pete Butcher wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

In January Goons and pets lost 135B to Lemmings and Marmites. I'm embarrassed.


In January, Lemmings took 0 POCOs. You should be embarrassed.


But...but....they took out some destroyers of the CFC! They're winning!

Also in terms of "doing damage" Gevlon and his little band of idiots are really bad. They're at an 82% efficiency when a corp half the size of his alliance has 92%

Darwins Lemminigs - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99004027/

SniggWaffe - https://zkillboard.com/corporation/116777001/

If I were looking for a group that "does more damage" to Goons, it's pretty easy to see that SniggWaffe is the choice to make.

Make the right choice, and become a Waffle today.




Unless you enjoy autistic blogging by a guy who can't comprehend the concept of "fun", then yeah go with Marmite Pets Anonymous.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#289 - 2014-02-21 18:18:21 UTC
Uba Stij wrote:
Pete Butcher wrote:

Can you image the amount of hilarious sperging you will have to write when you ultimately fail this?


Having seen the type of people that are in Gevlons Sponsored Pet Alliance, I can. They genuinely think they're winning. It's great, I want to see them cry more than Gevlon already cries about Goons when it fails.


Pete Butcher wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

In January Goons and pets lost 135B to Lemmings and Marmites. I'm embarrassed.


In January, Lemmings took 0 POCOs. You should be embarrassed.


But...but....they took out some destroyers of the CFC! They're winning!

Also in terms of "doing damage" Gevlon and his little band of idiots are really bad. They're at an 82% efficiency when a corp half the size of his alliance has 92%

Darwins Lemminigs - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99004027/

SniggWaffe - https://zkillboard.com/corporation/116777001/

If I were looking for a group that "does more damage" to Goons, it's pretty easy to see that SniggWaffe is the choice to make.

Make the right choice, and become a Waffle today.




Unless you enjoy autistic blogging by a guy who can't comprehend the concept of "fun", then yeah go with Marmite Pets Anonymous.

I support this product and/or service.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#290 - 2014-02-21 18:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Uba Stij wrote:


Pete Butcher wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

In January Goons and pets lost 135B to Lemmings and Marmites. I'm embarrassed.


In January, Lemmings took 0 POCOs. You should be embarrassed.


But...but....they took out some destroyers of the CFC! They're winning!

Also in terms of "doing damage" Gevlon and his little band of idiots are really bad. They're at an 82% efficiency when a corp half the size of his alliance has 92%

Darwins Lemminigs - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99004027/

SniggWaffe - https://zkillboard.com/corporation/116777001/

If I were looking for a group that "does more damage" to Goons, it's pretty easy to see that SniggWaffe is the choice to make.

Make the right choice, and become a Waffle today.




Unless you enjoy autistic blogging by a guy who can't comprehend the concept of "fun", then yeah go with Marmite Pets Anonymous.


Not empty quoting my alt. Nope, not at all.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#291 - 2014-02-21 18:30:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Uba Stij wrote:

Also in terms of "doing damage" Gevlon and his little band of idiots are really bad. They're at an 82% efficiency when a corp half the size of his alliance has 92%

Darwins Lemminigs - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99004027/

SniggWaffe - https://zkillboard.com/corporation/116777001/

If I were looking for a group that "does more damage" to Goons, it's pretty easy to see that SniggWaffe is the choice to make.


Wait, Gevlon's autism support group has 366 members? Jesus, they're like five times the size of MINILUV, and we still do ten times the damage.

This is an important point Goblin forgets. On paper we have tens of thousands of pilots, but only about 70 of them care about Highsec. So he might think he's leading the 300 against Xerxes horde, but he's really getting beat down by a few dozen guys on vacation from the real wars.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#292 - 2014-02-21 18:32:06 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
You are evading the question. I couldn't do that, because I couldn't care less about POCOs. They started to interest me when I saw the alliance tag on them. So the question is what could diplomacy do to me after RvBee was done?


Right. So you couldn't care less about POCOs, but your problem with RvB is that they are stopping you from taking our POCOs, which you have claimed many, many times, actually is your goal.

So you don't care about them because you do care about them?

Can you explain this, or are you just content to openly move the goalposts because it's better than saying "I was wrong"?

Quote:
Goonswarm: replacing facts with propaganda since 2006. TLDR: Marmite was in war with GSF for 141 days in 2013. I enable them to be at war with GSF for 365 days in 2014. (Or, you can surrender) Also, Lemmings didn't exist at all, so all their damage is enabled by me


Marmite are not the only entity to have shot at us in highsec in the last 5 years, it would surprise you to learn. My analogy remains astute, you can't claim responsibility for doing what was already happening before you even played the game. We've lost more ships in Jita than anywhere else since forever.
Fact is this: a GSF hauler undocking from Jita 4-4 and trying to warp to perimeter was as dead before as it is now. You can try to claim it is all your work, but it's self-evidently not true. This is why all alliance logistics have been done on neutral alts since the formation of the alliance.

It also doesn't matter. The damage you're doing is a rounding error.

So what is your (new and revised) goal? Take our POCOs, or cause a rounding-error of damage to us?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#293 - 2014-02-21 18:37:14 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Right. So you couldn't care less about POCOs, but your problem with RvB is that they are stopping you from taking our POCOs, which you have claimed many, many times, actually is your goal.

It also doesn't matter. The damage you're doing is a rounding error.

I don't care about owning POCOs. I care about GSF not owning POCOs.
Again you aren't coordinating with other GSF posters. They just said 7.1%.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#294 - 2014-02-21 18:38:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Right. So you couldn't care less about POCOs, but your problem with RvB is that they are stopping you from taking our POCOs, which you have claimed many, many times, actually is your goal.

It also doesn't matter. The damage you're doing is a rounding error.

I don't care about owning POCOs. I care about GSF not owning POCOs.
Again you aren't coordinating with other GSF posters. They just said 7.1%.

You're behind with the math. it's 5.8% of damage done. It's a much smaller percentage of isk lost/spent/invested. So, in the context of our expenditures and income it's a rounding error.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#295 - 2014-02-21 18:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Samahiel Sotken wrote:

Wait, Gevlon's autism support group has 366 members? Jesus, they're like five times the size of MINILUV, and we still do ten times the damage.

This is an important point Goblin forgets. On paper we have tens of thousands of pilots, but only about 70 of them care about Highsec. So he might think he's leading the 300 against Xerxes horde, but he's really getting beat down by a few dozen guys on vacation from the real wars.


Yep, or if you compare them to SniggWaffe who are still larger than MiniLuv (as far as I know) yet half the size roughly than this supposed "Goon Killing alliance" you have:

JANUARY

Darwins Lemmings - 366 members across 36 corporations
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Darwins_Lemmings
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=9713

Kills - 802
ISK equivalent in kills - 68.44 Billion

Losses -269
ISK equivalent in losses - 11.24 Billion

Efficiency - 85.89%


SniggWaffe - 230 members in SniggWaffe, 2 members in our executor corp. (35 in a Russian corp we did a test period with)*
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/WAFFLES./corporations
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=9296


Kills - 4,560
ISK equivalent in kills - 1.9 Trillion

Losses - 1,739
ISK equivalent in losses - 67.75 Billion

Efficiency - 96.65%

*Black Mesa Inc were a part of Waffles during January and had the following statistics:

Kills - 27
ISK in kills - 1.31 Billion

Losses - 11
ISK in losses - 0.1 Billion

Which accounts for a minuscule amount of the damages in both kills and losses for the month. They left Waffles having not garnered any kills in February.

FEBRUARY

Darwins Lemmings

Kills - 2,141
ISK equivalent in kills - 104.1 Billion

Losses - 642
ISK equivalent in losses - 25.92 Billion

Efficiency - 80.07%


SniggWaffe

Kills - 4,018
ISK equivalent - 175.58 Billion

Losses - 1,328
ISK equivalent in losses - 50.10 Billion

Efficiency - 77.80%


SniggWaffe, a corp with 200 fewer pilots, can deal over twice as many kills at minimum (February saw our return to lowsec after the south east finished up) than Gevlon's attempt at an alliance to deal damage to Goons. Waffles also finance themselves individually and don't have an ISK reserve that is close to what Gevlon claims to be.

Basically a training corp for a "Goon pet" in Pandemic Legion can do more than Gevlon's entire alliance with Marmite Collective doing all the heavy work. It's quite sad really, and these numbers are hard to lie about.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#296 - 2014-02-21 19:17:31 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Right. So you couldn't care less about POCOs, but your problem with RvB is that they are stopping you from taking our POCOs, which you have claimed many, many times, actually is your goal.

It also doesn't matter. The damage you're doing is a rounding error.

I don't care about owning POCOs. I care about GSF not owning POCOs.
Again you aren't coordinating with other GSF posters. They just said 7.1%.


I feel absolutely terrible for having to visit a livejournal for a mentally challenged person but.....

Quote:
In taking the POCOs we faced unforseen obstacle

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2014/02/lemmings-in-january.html

Definition of "taking"

Quote:
tak·ing [tey-king]
noun
1. the act of a person or thing that takes.
2. the state of being taken.
3. something that is taken.
4. an action by the federal government, as a regulatory ruling, that imposes a restriction on the use of private property for which the owner must be compensated.
5. takings, receipts, especially of money earned or gained.[quote]

So "taken" is the common word in each definition which is a dependent on "take"

[qutoe]take [teyk]
verb (used with object)
1. to get into one's hold or possession by voluntary action: to take a cigarette out of a box; to take a pen and begin to write.
2. to hold, grasp, or grip: to take a book in one's hand; to take a child by the hand.
3. to get into one's hands, possession, control, etc., by force or artifice: to take a bone from a snarling dog.
4. to seize or capture: to take an enemy town; to take a prisoner.
5. to catch or get (fish, game, etc.), especially by killing: to take a dozen trout on a good afternoon.


So anyway, let's assume its another example of you not grasping how to properly use the English language. You want to deny Goon and/or RvB ownership of these POCOs, so much so that you're throwing billions of ISK at failed venture, proven by the damage done in the time since Gevlon Pets Anonymous was formed, when compared to other corps and groups half the size in raw bodies and smaller in terms of raw ISK to fund their efforts. This whole "perma-war" is basically Marmite taking you for a ride, enjoying free funding out of your blind pubbie rage. Props to Marmite for taking advantage of your stupidity.
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2014-02-21 19:20:07 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Right. So you couldn't care less about POCOs, but your problem with RvB is that they are stopping you from taking our POCOs, which you have claimed many, many times, actually is your goal.

It also doesn't matter. The damage you're doing is a rounding error.

I don't care about owning POCOs. I care about GSF not owning POCOs.
Again you aren't coordinating with other GSF posters. They just said 7.1%.


RvBee is a responsible poco owing group that offers reasonable tax rates. If you are going to blow them up without replacing them, you are doing a huge disservice to high sec PI industrialists. I guess this makes sense coming from the guy who ganked hundreds of miners to teach them how to tank their ships...

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#298 - 2014-02-21 19:22:04 UTC
It's almost as if he's just as mindlessly destructive as Goons are/were.

The irony.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#299 - 2014-02-21 19:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:

SniggWaffe, a corp with 200 fewer pilots, can deal over twice as many kills at minimum (February saw our return to lowsec after the south east finished up) than Gevlon's attempt at an alliance to deal damage to Goons. Waffles also finance themselves individually and don't have an ISK reserve that is close to what Gevlon claims to be.

Basically a training corp for a "Goon pet" in Pandemic Legion can do more than Gevlon's entire alliance with Marmite Collective doing all the heavy work. It's quite sad really, and these numbers are hard to lie about.

Very convincing!

Next time we get too big for our britches, and need to be taken down a peg, I know who I'll be calling.

Edit: Interesting note, since PL are our pets and included in Goblin's damaged dealt number. We actually manage to do more damage to ourselves than we take from highsec, regardless of whether Goblin throws money into that pit or not.
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#300 - 2014-02-21 19:27:53 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:

SniggWaffe, a corp with 200 fewer pilots, can deal over twice as many kills at minimum (February saw our return to lowsec after the south east finished up) than Gevlon's attempt at an alliance to deal damage to Goons. Waffles also finance themselves individually and don't have an ISK reserve that is close to what Gevlon claims to be.

Basically a training corp for a "Goon pet" in Pandemic Legion can do more than Gevlon's entire alliance with Marmite Collective doing all the heavy work. It's quite sad really, and these numbers are hard to lie about.

Very convincing!

Next time we get too big for our britches, and need to be taken down a peg, I know who I'll be calling.

Edit: Interesting note, since PL are our pets and included in Goblin's damaged dealt number. We actually manage to do more damage to ourselves than we take from highsec, regardless of whether Goblin throws money into that pit or not.


That or just take on the nomadic lifestyle Waffles enjoy today. Shed the tedium of Nullsec.

Also see what SniggWaffe's numbers do to the overall figures you accounted for. I mean, we are pets of a pet after all.