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Highsec wardeccers! You can dec GSF and Red AND Blue for 50M/week!

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#481 - 2014-02-20 08:41:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Tarojan wrote:
Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html :


"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations."
Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher


Thanks, Tarojan.
I see now why I don't have many issues with the things he posts. He's the internet's version of Ron Paul (Or closer at my home, Guy verhofstadt)

To quote Margaret Thatcher, I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job. I do expect everyone to remain civil and not stoop to the level of personal attacks and namecalling.
Lastly, I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end Big smile

Fallentitan wrote:

The way I see this;
Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid.
RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free.
Goons win. They keep their POCOs.
Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave.


Nice writeup, I agree for at least 95% with what you wrote. Thanks for taking the time posting it.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2014-02-20 10:06:34 UTC
Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here:

Quote:
It's possible that this FallenTitan is just a dumbass (he actually admits that "I'm one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE") who really did not see what's going on right under his nose. Probably Professor Clio was the Goon contact who approached him once a month saying "hey, I found a war that might be fun, shall we jump on it"? And he said "why not" without having a list to realize that it's yet another "defend Goons from Marmite" war

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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#483 - 2014-02-20 10:21:12 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here:

Quote:
It's possible that this FallenTitan is just a dumbass (he actually admits that "I'm one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE") who really did not see what's going on right under his nose. Probably Professor Clio was the Goon contact who approached him once a month saying "hey, I found a war that might be fun, shall we jump on it"? And he said "why not" without having a list to realize that it's yet another "defend Goons from Marmite" war

If you want to discuss the gevlon RB scrap come join us in that thread then! more the merrier. Or we can stay here and talk goony stuff. (note I dont know much about goony stuff)

Will gank for food

Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#484 - 2014-02-20 10:29:00 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Pete Butcher wrote:
Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here:

Quote:
It's possible that this FallenTitan is just a dumbass (he actually admits that "I'm one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE") who really did not see what's going on right under his nose. Probably Professor Clio was the Goon contact who approached him once a month saying "hey, I found a war that might be fun, shall we jump on it"? And he said "why not" without having a list to realize that it's yet another "defend Goons from Marmite" war

If you want to discuss the gevlon RB scrap come join us in that thread then! more the merrier. Or we can stay here and talk goony stuff. (note I dont know much about goony stuff)

Already tried but Gevlon doesn't allow my posts, despite I don't do any trolling there. You can't have a discussion, since he moderates out comments to which he doesn't have a response ready. And because of that he is too scared to engage in any meaningful conversation in any other place. Therefore is useless to talk to him there, since you'll either get some idiotic response or get blocked. He did say he treats comments which disagree with him as spam.

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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#485 - 2014-02-20 10:38:25 UTC
Dude I meant https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=323511&find=unread

Shame he blocked you on the blog. You seem intelligent. Would have been fun reading your stuff.

Will gank for food

General Lemming
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#486 - 2014-02-20 10:47:29 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:

Thank you again for all the PvP content,
FallenTitan
Blue Republic CEO
If you agree or disagree with Fallen Titan doesn't matter in this case. Spoken as a true CEO. +1
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#487 - 2014-02-20 12:53:22 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:

It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.

Nice post but... is it me or for some "odd" reason Mr. Blue Republic CEO is not overly fond of what follows?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#488 - 2014-02-20 20:42:54 UTC
One time bump to fix forum.
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2014-02-21 01:18:18 UTC
FallenTitan wrote:
It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason...

Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do.


Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#490 - 2014-02-21 09:10:36 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
FallenTitan wrote:
It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason...

Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do.


Manny moons, that's actually spoken as a true RVB player, **** politics and enjoy yourself with some PVP... Wait, you are in Lemmings Shocked Even better, they don't lie about their "mission" than.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#491 - 2014-02-21 12:07:14 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Manny Moons wrote:
FallenTitan wrote:
It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason...

Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do.


Manny moons, that's actually spoken as a true RVB player, **** politics and enjoy yourself with some PVP... Wait, you are in Lemmings Shocked Even better, they don't lie about their "mission" than.
I'm still confused as to how sitting on the Amarr undock for 10 hours is PvP. But ah well, *shrug*.

All these smacktalk and all these conspiracy theories on both these threads is entertaining and all (though rapidly decreasing), but is there any chance of seeing any actual fight at any point? It would be pretty fun to actually see some action happening.

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#492 - 2014-02-21 15:25:23 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm still confused as to how sitting on the Amarr undock for 10 hours is PvP. But ah well, *shrug*...

Apparently "real" PvP is a rarity in EVE. When I was a ganker, I was told ganking was not PvP. Now I learn that fights on gates and stations are not PvP. When I watch streams of nullsec battles at 10% TiDi, they don't seem much like PvP to me. Off-grid-boosters. Blops. Neutral reps. Awoxes & safaris. Shooting structures. Shooting blues. Shooting newbies. ECM. Market PvP. Why is everyone doing stuff that doesn't qualify as "real" PvP? Someday I hope to learn what real PvP is like, but until then I guess I'll dabble with all the other things that seem to be so popular.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#493 - 2014-02-21 15:38:23 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm still confused as to how sitting on the Amarr undock for 10 hours is PvP. But ah well, *shrug*...

Apparently "real" PvP is a rarity in EVE. When I was a ganker, I was told ganking was not PvP. Now I learn that fights on gates and stations are not PvP. When I watch streams of nullsec battles at 10% TiDi, they don't seem much like PvP to me. Off-grid-boosters. Blops. Neutral reps. Awoxes & safaris. Shooting structures. Shooting blues. Shooting newbies. ECM. Market PvP. Why is everyone doing stuff that doesn't qualify as "real" PvP? Someday I hope to learn what real PvP is like, but until then I guess I'll dabble with all the other things that seem to be so popular.
It's pretty simple. "Real" PvP is where you actually go and fight. You know, with the other person firing back and everything! Boosters, logi, numbers, they all affect the fairness of a fight, but even unfair PvP is PvP. But sitting inside a docking ring smacktalking, sitting on a gate and ganking, they are not "Real" PvP.

What you guys do in Lemmings most of the time (and I know, since I've actually been on fleets right beside you guys) is not PvP. It's waiting. How do you not get bored just sitting there hoping a flashy red undocks long enough to take them down? (Actual question, not a troll).

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#494 - 2014-02-21 15:48:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's pretty simple. "Real" PvP is where you actually go and fight. You know, with the other person firing back and everything! Boosters, logi, numbers, they all affect the fairness of a fight, but even unfair PvP is PvP. But sitting inside a docking ring smacktalking, sitting on a gate and ganking, they are not "Real" PvP.

What you guys do in Lemmings most of the time (and I know, since I've actually been on fleets right beside you guys) is not PvP. It's waiting. How do you not get bored just sitting there hoping a flashy red undocks long enough to take them down? (Actual question, not a troll).

Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"?

And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#495 - 2014-02-21 15:54:32 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"?
There's not really a set distance, but you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight. An I'm no more knowledgeable than anyone else with common sense. I mean, it's pretty obvious. You guys even know it, since you clearly identify what you do as a camp since the fleets are called for as "gate camp" or "station camp".

Manny Moons wrote:
And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting?
Sadly, it's no less boring at all. Luckily, they've decided to do a 9th season of 24, so I'm rewatching the other 8 on netflix before that comes out, so I keep entertained.

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#496 - 2014-02-21 18:22:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
...you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight...
If I am to "fight" war targets in highsec, where else would I look for them? I can't engage them inside stations, nor in warp between stations and gates. That primarily leaves the station docks and the gates. I'm assuming they generally won't be mining or missioning while at war, and won't usually be hanging around pocos except when timers force them to show up en masse. Assuming they don't want to "duel at the sun," in which case a war dec would have been unnecessary, where would you expect "fights" to happen? And as far as camping goes, the likelihood of meeting war targets at a gate or station is somewhat small unless one or the other of us is lingering there.

So please, educate me, if you have the time. Take a break from your gig as critic and show me a better way.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#497 - 2014-02-21 19:32:33 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
...you should be able to tell the difference between a gate/station camp and a fight...
If I am to "fight" war targets in highsec, where else would I look for them? I can't engage them inside stations, nor in warp between stations and gates. That primarily leaves the station docks and the gates. I'm assuming they generally won't be mining or missioning while at war, and won't usually be hanging around pocos except when timers force them to show up en masse. Assuming they don't want to "duel at the sun," in which case a war dec would have been unnecessary, where would you expect "fights" to happen? And as far as camping goes, the likelihood of meeting war targets at a gate or station is somewhat small unless one or the other of us is lingering there.

So please, educate me, if you have the time. Take a break from your gig as critic and show me a better way.
Well a high sec wartarget from a highsec corm will indeed mission and mine in high sec. Not everyone hides as soon as there's a threat. Your problem is that you've chosen to engage in a war with a group that doesn't actually live in highsec, so when people are there they are generally just moving stuff back and forth (stupidly I might add). If you wanted fights with your target, you'd go to where your target actually does live, so in this case null sec. But let's face it. you don't want fights. You want to pad your KB so Marmite might accept you into their ranks (since your alliance has been officially stated as a Marmite training alliance).

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2014-02-21 20:05:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
...Your problem is...
...you don't want...
...You want...

Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip."

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#499 - 2014-02-21 21:41:33 UTC
Manny Moons wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
...Your problem is...
...you don't want...
...You want...

Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip."
Squeeze harder.

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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#500 - 2014-02-22 09:00:33 UTC
RvB is a pretty good place to experience PvP, just saying :)

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