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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#221 - 2014-02-21 14:40:52 UTC
Historically if we want someone to not interfere with burn jita we throw fifty goons in battlecruisers at them if not simply blap them with our ganking ships, since it's always lone idiots rather than any organized response.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#222 - 2014-02-21 14:47:10 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
The current official story is "RvB worked with Goons for POCOs and burn Jita for fun". By the way, this covers 2/3 of the highsec war activity of Goons and 2/3 of the non-consensual war activity of RvB too. That 1/3 when Goons fought alone totally proves that RvB isn't cooperating.
Can you answer me 1 thing seriously?
Do you actually believe your own propaganda? Are you in fact that dumb?

It seems to anybody with an ounce of sense that what has happened here is you've got this idea that "hey, maybe I could say RvB is owned by the goons!", then you've got and found a single scrap of data to support it, ignoring the mountains of data to the contrary (see, non-highsec-wardec combat, which unsurprisingly is what most null alliances deal with day to day).

Then you've gone and posted it. Everyone outside your little group of fanboys has basically laughed in your face at how incredibly moronic the idea is, and that single scrap of data has be reasonably explained, with things recorded historically to prove it (so not backstopped).

At this point most people would simply have let it die off, chalked up to a bad play. But no, you press on. And guess what, still it does nothing. Still RvB members aren't leaping out of the alliance left right and centre. Why? Because the entire notion is ridiculous.

This all leads me to conclude that you in fact believe your own spout. Understand that even the majority of your lemmings and Marmites probably don't believe it, since they in fact do have some sense (though there's no way they'd admit it, as they must back your play, since you are effectively the Marmite and Lemming leader). And if you really believe this shite, then you are by several orders of magnitude more of a moron than anyone you have ever posted in your moron of the week.

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Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#223 - 2014-02-21 14:47:29 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Historically if we want someone to not interfere with burn jita we throw fifty goons in battlecruisers at them if not simply blap them with our ganking ships, since it's always lone idiots rather than any organized response.


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Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#224 - 2014-02-21 14:47:51 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

RvB is working with the goons *for POCOs only*. That is it. I agree with you that this limited cooperation may "look a bit odd" to some.

Oh, and Burn Jita. That's even Mangala admitted. I'm afraid you didn't get the latest damage control memo. Please check alliance MOTD more often.

The current official story is "RvB worked with Goons for POCOs and burn Jita for fun". By the way, this covers 2/3 of the highsec war activity of Goons and 2/3 of the non-consensual war activity of RvB too. That 1/3 when Goons fought alone totally proves that RvB isn't cooperating.

Khanh'rhh wrote:

Herein lies the problem you face in EvE, Gevlon. On a very basic level, you can't even see the difference between the actions of an NPC and a person.

The difference exists if the person has a choice. I mean if RvB directors would be able to make decisions, I could try to influence it. However the decision making of RvB leadership is identical to the belt rat:
1: object sighted
2: compare object with the list of hostiles provided by the programmer (Dev for belt rat, Goons for RvB)
3: if comparison is positive, attack, if not, ignore

There is absolutely nothing I (or anyone) can do to change the decisions of RvB or the belt rat. They were made long before I started playing EVE. Trying to engage diplomacy with either one would only provide a hilarious chatlog. The only rational response is destroying it.


Wow, your lack of imagination and basic understanding of human behaviour is staggering. I'd heard you were a king among autistic pubbies before, but I never imagined anyone capable of uttering such un-self-concious bollocks.

The simple truth of the matter is that trying to engage in diplomacy would only provide a hilarious chatlog in your case. For any person of ability, who approached the matter in a mature and respectful manner, it could very well prove profitable.

Stop being such a shitler and trying to divine human behaviour via graphs and marginal return calculations. You might actually have more fun and end up a useful contributor to the vast human tapestry that is eve.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#225 - 2014-02-21 14:50:18 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
If I were RVB, I would join goonswarm. Just because. Maybe then Goblin would STFU.
RvB don't strike me as the type to buckle to the pressure of impotent words being belted out by a doofus with his eyes closed and his fingers in his ears. I imagine there response will continue to be "proceed as normal". Eventually he'll run out of breath, realise all the screaming did nothing, and find a new really really bad idea for propaganda.

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#226 - 2014-02-21 14:51:12 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Historically if we want someone to not interfere with burn jita we throw fifty goons in battlecruisers at them if not simply blap them with our ganking ships, since it's always lone idiots rather than any organized response.

Really?

Xaerael Endiel wrote:

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#227 - 2014-02-21 14:55:57 UTC
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
The simple truth of the matter is that trying to engage in diplomacy would only provide a hilarious chatlog in your case. For any person of ability, who approached the matter in a mature and respectful manner, it could very well prove profitable.

Stop being such a shitler and trying to divine human behaviour via graphs and marginal return calculations. You might actually have more fun and end up a useful contributor to the vast human tapestry that is eve.
Just wait, you are going to get his sob story about how RvB attacked 8000 to 50, thus somehow displaying their lack of ability to be diplomatic, even though the reason they attacked was through diplomacy with another group.

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Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#228 - 2014-02-21 14:56:11 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Historically if we want someone to not interfere with burn jita we throw fifty goons in battlecruisers at them if not simply blap them with our ganking ships, since it's always lone idiots rather than any organized response.

Really?

Xaerael Endiel wrote:

Congratulations on your 3000th like (it was me)

Don't forget to click on the paplink!


Clicked all the ones that broke your POCO dreams so far, Pubbie. Ba-Kaw!
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#229 - 2014-02-21 14:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Can I take this as admission that marmite has no interest in shooting POCOs, and you're just taking advantage of someone who's clearly mentally ill?


Look, take it anyway you want to but don't be so hard on yourself, we don't think you are THAT mentally ill... Maybe just a wee bit Big smile

Oh, still trying to make this go away or something?;
Mangala Solaris wrote:

Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.

But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.

We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.

So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.


And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf

26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.


So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever?
Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.

Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf Smile

D.

Bear

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#230 - 2014-02-21 15:01:36 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Historically if we want someone to not interfere with burn jita we throw fifty goons in battlecruisers at them if not simply blap them with our ganking ships, since it's always lone idiots rather than any organized response.

Really?
Yes, really. The fact that they didn't kill the orca of a non-miner because obvious bait is obvious doesn't prove anything. Once again you take a single data point, draw wild conclusions and fail miserably at proving anything. Most of us were too busy rolling around in piles of isk to really care that much about bad smacktalk in local.

We need to do interdiction again. Could be fun!

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Congratulations on your 3000th like (it was me)
Don't forget to click on the paplink!
Zomg, Paplink?!?!?!?. Liking right now!

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Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#231 - 2014-02-21 15:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

Xaerael Endiel wrote:

Congratulations on your 3000th like (it was me)

Don't forget to click on the paplink!


I know, right? How dare we appreciate good posting or find a way to fairly reward participation in service to the common good! Next thing you know we might actually start having fun, and we all know that emotions are inefficient. Beep boop.
Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#232 - 2014-02-21 15:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Xaerael Endiel
Danalee wrote:
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Can I take this as admission that marmite has no interest in shooting POCOs, and you're just taking advantage of someone who's clearly mentally ill?


Look, take it anyway you want to but don't be so hard on yourself, we don't think you are THAT mentally ill... Maybe just a wee bit Big smile

Oh, still trying to make this go away or something?;
Mangala Solaris wrote:

Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.

But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.

We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.

So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.


And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf

26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.


So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever?
Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.

Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf Smile

D.

Bear


"No You" stopped working on me when I was about 6. Sorry. Also, it's spelled "Hypocrite", Aswel isn't a word either, nor is aswell which I guess you were trying to go for. Try "as well" in future.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#233 - 2014-02-21 15:07:07 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Historically if we want someone to not interfere with burn jita we throw fifty goons in battlecruisers at them if not simply blap them with our ganking ships, since it's always lone idiots rather than any organized response.

Really?


Hey can I link stuff without an awareness of context? Yes WE Can!
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#234 - 2014-02-21 15:09:02 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Look, take it anyway you want to but don't be so hard on yourself, we don't think you are THAT mentally ill... Maybe just a wee bit Big smile
Thanks. We hadn;t had an "I know you are so what am I" post yet today, and I was afraid we'd miss the quota.
Danalee wrote:
Oh, still trying to make this go away or something?;
Mangala Solaris wrote:

Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.

But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.

We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.

So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.
You realise that was written by Gevlon right? Nobody needs to "make it go away" since it's rambling nonsense.

Danalee wrote:
And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf

26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.
So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever?
Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.

Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf Smile
I imagine the response to this is: *shrug*
Look up the kill you guys are getting all teary eyed about on ZKB and compare it to purple. Miraculously it is the same value, instead of the original inflated value. Basically what you are complaining about is that they corrected their killboard and the truth is not as comforting for you as the original lie, so you are having a little fit.

And "pants on fire"? Really? Are you 12?

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#235 - 2014-02-21 15:09:13 UTC
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Xaerael Endiel wrote:
Can I take this as admission that marmite has no interest in shooting POCOs, and you're just taking advantage of someone who's clearly mentally ill?


Look, take it anyway you want to but don't be so hard on yourself, we don't think you are THAT mentally ill... Maybe just a wee bit Big smile

Oh, still trying to make this go away or something?;
Mangala Solaris wrote:

Dear fellow RvB-ers. We have lot of fun in both Red versus Blue and purple wars.

But we unfortunately live in a *metagame* universe, where shooting the wrong Falcon can literally break coalitions. In a universe where spies, space-politicians, propagandist do their "serious" stuff, instead of just undocking and having fun.

We cannot allow even the appearance of being political, because we cannot allow a newbie think that if he joins us, he'll be banned from half of Nullsec by declared to be the spy of the other half. No matter how accurately we try to balance our actions, by luck or by others doing *metagame* we can end up fighting a war for someone else.

So, from now on, we will not initiate wars. We just fight Red versus Blue and of course we fight anyone who attacks us. We will also organize mutual wars with willing entities. While it takes some of the fun, it saves more.


And also, I'd like this cleared up aswel;
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf

26th January? I was on my way back from the Winter Summit in Iceland at that stage. Stuck on a rail replacement bus till gone 8pm.


So there is someone on the RVB shoutbox using your name? Or are you saying you didn't post that ever?
Oh and, suddenly the shoutbox is restricted, coincidence, I'm sure.

Sorry to be so hard on you, its a consequence of you being in the pants on fire hypocrit camp, I tend to paint those with the same brush. idgaf Smile

D.

Bear


"No You" stopped working on me when I was about 6. Sorry. Also, it's spelled "Hypocrite", Aswel isn't a word either, nor is aswell which I guess you were trying to go for. Try "as well" in future.


Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?;
Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge mé ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#236 - 2014-02-21 15:13:37 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?;
Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge mé ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle!
Forum rule 28. We don't need to speak other languages as ours was chosen as the "default language". If you want to avoid the bother of speaking English, find a localised subsection, or simply don't post.

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Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#237 - 2014-02-21 15:16:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?;
Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge mé ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle!
Forum rule 28. We don't need to speak other languages as ours was chosen as the "default language". If you want to avoid the bother of speaking English, find a localised subsection, or simply don't post.

^^ And that's exactly what makes it clear for everyone except you that YOU are trolling and have no valid argument.

Compared to your posts, Mister Goblin is the Albert Einstein for space computer games.

If you know what is meant but don't have any other rebuttals than grammar police, you've lost the argument.

Didn't see you tried to debunk it, sorry;
Why lie about it and block the shoutbox than and the pants on fire bit was very nice compared to what it was directed at.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Xaerael Endiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#238 - 2014-02-21 15:25:02 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?;
Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge mé ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle!
Forum rule 28. We don't need to speak other languages as ours was chosen as the "default language". If you want to avoid the bother of speaking English, find a localised subsection, or simply don't post.

^^ And that's exactly what makes it clear for everyone except you that YOU are trolling and have no valid argument.

Compared to your posts, Mister Goblin is the Albert Einstein for space computer games.

If you know what is meant but don't have any other rebuttals than grammar police, you've lost the argument.

D.

Bear


You replied, didn't you? And then you went to the effort of trying to look clever too.

Thanks for keeping my post alive.
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2014-02-21 15:26:55 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?;
Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge mé ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle!
Forum rule 28. We don't need to speak other languages as ours was chosen as the "default language". If you want to avoid the bother of speaking English, find a localised subsection, or simply don't post.

^^ And that's exactly what makes it clear for everyone except you that YOU are trolling and have no valid argument.

Compared to your posts, Mister Goblin is the Albert Einstein for space computer games.

If you know what is meant but don't have any other rebuttals than grammar police, you've lost the argument.

D.

Bear


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Being_Right - you fail at it

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#240 - 2014-02-21 15:27:14 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Danalee wrote:
Thanks for keeping my post alive! Also, can you correct the following (colloquial flemish) sentence for me please?;
Ge zij nen ongeluefelukke koter as ge peist dagge mé ou ridikule opmeirkingskes iet goat bereike zulle!
Forum rule 28. We don't need to speak other languages as ours was chosen as the "default language". If you want to avoid the bother of speaking English, find a localised subsection, or simply don't post.

^^ And that's exactly what makes it clear for everyone except you that YOU are trolling and have no valid argument.

Compared to your posts, Mister Goblin is the Albert Einstein for space computer games.

If you know what is meant but don't have any other rebuttals than grammar police, you've lost the argument.
How does that make me a troll? Because you expect us to translate a random language? You post trying to be witty, which requires an understanding of the English language which you do not possess. Don't get all sad when called up about it.

As for Einstein, are you suggesting that Gevlon speaking a second language make him automatically superior to everyone regardless of how dumb his posts are? The majority of the world speaks a second language, yet I wouldn't compare the majority of the world to Einstein (who by the way may have been smart, but the comparison to him is old and relatively misplaced considering the advances in those fields. It's like saying "Rocket Scientist". Rocket science ins't have as complex as may other fields of study).

As for my only rebuttal, you'll find I posted several. One guy raised a line about your lack of ability to speak English, which I think is pretty fair considering your choppy post.

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