Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So nice to see old wounds open. Especially if they've been festering and filling with puss.

None of what anyone has said matters. You're all just singing your same old sob-songs about how Eve should be played your way, instead of looking at the mechanics of the game and considering how to improve them, and thus improve the game.

Just please, for a moment, consider what the definition of "War" is in the reality we're all escaping from and what "War" actually means in Eve right now.

Nobody sees a conflict here? Really?

War should be expensive, for everyone. Right now it's only expensive for new corporations. It should be expensive for old corporations, big corporations, small corporations, etc...

War should not be an isk-farming tool.

War should be something you declare to accomplish something, not just pew-pew a bit, get some lol-mails of noob fits and log off until next weekend.

"Teach the Noobs how to play." is not a legitimate reason to randomly war-dec noob corps. Reason? It obviously doesn't work, your success rate is so laughably low I can't be bothered to guesstimate it.

Carebears exist for a reason. Lousy tutorials that do not explain just how deeply PvP is ingrained into every aspect of the game, no matter where you are in the game. The tutorials need to be changed, but if we petition CCP to change them will they get better or worse? Likely worse.

Another possible change that would help clarify a big misunderstanding: Get rid of the tag "War". Call it anything but war because as the mechanic is being used now it is not a "Declaration of War" because aggressors in a war have a purpose. Majority of War Declarations occurring are only being done for lols. Not a legitimate purpose for a war, sorry. Just call it a High Security Piracy Permit or something, because as it stands right now that's all it is.

Third possible change to help with the problem: Do as I suggested. By the time players are in their own corporation and making decisions as a group they should be capable of some critical thinking skills. People panic when they are only given one option and immediately balk from it and look for some other unmentioned alternative. Give them a second or even third option to consider immediately and they will explore the rest of the legitimate solutions themselves. Slamming the door shut on people's options for avoiding fighting as they are is not going to solve the problem, they'll just find other ways to circumvent your aggressive behavior because they are being told they have one option, and that option generally sucks, because let's face it....

None of you are declaring war against anyone you have any hope of losing against.

I also love how everyone is entrenched in the idea that the only way to fight a war is Side A grabs their ships, Side B grabs theirs, and everybody fights at high noon or whenever the hell the 24 hour grace period is up. Really showing a deep understanding of all of the dynamic gameplay options CCP has laid out on the table, guys.

Give new players more legitimate options to FIGHT wars, passively or actively, up front as soon as the war is declared, turn off the high sec war deccing isk faucet and make those lazy twits earn their keep, and watch the game grow as a whole.

Amen brother, the elimination or complete redesign of this broken war mechanic might actually fix high sec and low sec... But maybe these high sec mercenary war griefers will just become carebears themselves as they are obviously afraid of fighting real good fights in low sec.

As I said, the real agenda to remove wars entirely is on full display in this 'fix wardecs' thread...laughable.....

Riddle me this mr. wizard, who is more likely to ultimately move to losec or nullsec to pvp, the graduate (or subject) of hisec war play, or the 'you will never make me fight' carebear who never sees combat in hisec?

(silence..sound of crickets...)

You see, if you and the fail bears like Basll Pupkin get their way in turning hisec into a 100% safe theme park, the next generation of players will be more likely to forever remain in hisec, NOT venture right into losec or null and try pvp.

But by all means, if you really want to shoot yourself in the head and turn losec and nullsec further into empty wastelands get rid of all hisec pvp, even ganking, so that pvp becomes the scariest unimaginable thing to the bears of the future, and far fewer players ultimately ever jump into low or null.

In short. Wars are a perfect time-limited way for new hisec players to play 'just the tip' with agression, in ways they might never do otherwise. This mechanic should be thus BUFFED, not nerfed into demise.

What is more despicable though is CCP going along with this death by 1,000 nerfing cuts, while pretending to still be about its HTFU roots.

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You don't know what you are talking about.

While you were writing this fine whine, I was actually fighting in a war dec. My alliance has found itself at war with Brave Collective, it's a.... a story. Anyway Mine is not to reason why. I decided to get my solo PvP on and went to a high-sec system that has become infamous for them mining. I was flying a Corax with a near full Tech 2/best named loadout, let's call it 10mil. I looked for targets between where I bought the Corax and the system and didn't really find anything. When I got there I chose a random belt and found a Venture and Procurer. I put down the Venture in short order then got to work on the Procurer. 'Procurers have more EHP then I remember from my youth' I was thinking as I was halfway through its shields. The guy launched drones and his friends landed on the grid, They disrupted me but I was able to pull range and get away.
Ineluctable 1, Brave Collective 0.

You're probably thinking that this is some special situation; war decers usually are 2km from Jita 4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant or something else that you consider cheap. You're probably also thinking that of course a aggressor in a war went somewhere to gank a miner. But this story is not over yet.

I was attempting to get another kill meanwhile a Brave FC was able to raise a fleet of some kind. They sat on a gate. On advice from another person who is also at war with Brave I sat 100 from the gate and started waiting for people to lose discipline and burn toward me. This didn't really happen and it looked like they were attempting to warp to some object and warp back at 100 so I left. I scanned a belt and saw a single Atron, so I warped to that belt and proceeded to put it down. As soon as it blew up everyone from the gate arrived at the position of the bait Atron, I was warp scrambled and webified. I took a second Atron and would have taken a third if I had shot it instead of the similarly named similar looking beefier Algos.
Ineluctable 2, Brave Collective 1.
Except you have to remember that a Brave Atron only costs like 800k.

So anyway, No, war targets are not docked and invulnerable, they are in space and having fun. Also did you notice how it was the Defense that was flying in a tight formation? You can fly in a tight formation too if it helps you win. You are only weak because you let yourself be weak. Don't get griefed by wardeccers and forced to sit in a station spinning your ship all day for a week! Saddle up, get your corpmates to saddle up, and do something to change your situation.

I agree, war deccing is being abused by griefers.

Then leave EVE! Because this is a Sandbox Game!!

I fixed it for you! <3

Stop with this bullsh**. We wardec targets to get both money and to get good fights. NEITHER will fight unless they have massive advantage. Stop pretending to be knights in white horses..

Howe about CCP limits every barebear to fight a single NPC faction and they need to pay 50 mil per day to be able to fight those NPC in a specific system?