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What's the latest on "Logistics getting on killmails"?

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Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-21 10:01:07 UTC
I know this is an idea that CCP are aware of and that has been posted about on numerous occasions, so I'm not going to try and phrase it as a 'feature suggestion' or anything. I'm just wondering if anybody knows what the latest update is on this in terms of whether they are working on it, whether they have tabled it for the time being or what.

If anybody from CCP has the time to answer I'd really like to know which of the following categories this falls into:

1) There's some kind of technical hurdle making this difficult to implement
2) There's no technical hurdle but it's still a large piece of work and you don't have time
3) You don't want to do this because you are all incredibly evil people who hate logistics pilots and secretly plot to thwart us at every turn.

Anybody in the know care to enlighten me?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2 - 2014-02-21 10:07:06 UTC
Another regular logi pilot would also like to know.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#3 - 2014-02-21 10:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Bring a warrior II, or civilian gatling in the spare high slot.
Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2014-02-21 10:08:52 UTC
this will never happen...
deal with it

or we will get soon requests about getting on kn for beign close to dying target requests

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Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-21 10:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Laiannah Sahireen
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Bring a warrior II.


Thanks for being obnoxius and unhelpful.

This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive.

In addition, it would be nice to be able to field a full flight of medium logi drones to add to my effectiveness.

You'll notice the title of this thread was not 'How do I get on killmails as logi?'.

But seriously though, your reply was super helpful.
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-02-21 10:12:03 UTC
Garnoo wrote:
this will never happen...
deal with it

or we will get soon requests about getting on kn for beign close to dying target requests


I believe it will happen, as I've heard CCP talking about it as something they intend to do in the future. I just don't know any specifics, which is why I was asking.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#7 - 2014-02-21 10:23:07 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Bring a warrior II.


Thanks for being obnoxius and unhelpful.

This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive.

In addition, it would be nice to be able to field a full flight of medium logi drones to add to my effectiveness.

You'll notice the title of this thread was not 'How do I get on killmails as logi?'.

But seriously though, your reply was super helpful.


Perhaps if you wanted to know potential future design ideas you should ask CCP by petition, or perhaps even phone their offices, rather than asking on a public forum.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#8 - 2014-02-21 10:31:50 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:

This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive.

Which begs the question - why are you so bothered with KM whoring when your only concern should be keeping your fleetmates alive?


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Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-02-21 10:36:08 UTC
Desert Ice78 wrote:
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:

This is what I currently do, but sometimes I don't have time to screw around with KM whoring due to the more pressing issue of trying to keep my fleet members alive.

Which begs the question - why are you so bothered with KM whoring when your only concern should be keeping your fleetmates alive?




Because it's hardly fair that everybody else on grid who contributes to the kill gets on the KM and the logi doesn't unless he deliberately whores on mails and thus devotes less attention to keeping the fleet alive.

Are you seriously asking this? Why shouldn't logi be on killmails?
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-21 10:41:43 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Are you seriously asking this? Why shouldn't logi be on killmails?

Are you seriously asking this? Why should logi be on killmails? Lol
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-02-21 10:43:33 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Are you seriously asking this? Why shouldn't logi be on killmails?

Are you seriously asking this? Why should logi be on killmails? Lol


Because they contributed to the kill by keeping the damage-dealing ships alive long enough to secure it. Next question.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#12 - 2014-02-21 10:45:21 UTC
I'm gonna give another anoying answer. Sorry about that in advance :)

I used to be a logi pilot. I brought warriors and assigned 2 of them to the FC or some one I knew was pro at getting on KM's.

My main job out there was keeping people alive and making sure they got onto killmails. If that meant I would not have the time to deploy drones, then no KM for me that day. It happens.

So here's my anoying answer;

IF killmails are important to you and you feel you need to be on them, you are not in the right ship. You need to be in a ship that makes a hostile act against a target. Right now you're in a ship that has a beneficial effect on a teammate.

You're either logi or not
Jezza McWaffle
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#13 - 2014-02-21 10:49:31 UTC
Lol any Logi pilot who tries to whore on kill mails is not a good logi pilot

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Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-02-21 10:50:30 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
You're either logi or not


This is nonsense. It's a PVP game and logistics is a vital role in PVP, there's no reason for logi pilots to miss out on KMs.

Besides, you're completely missing the point. CCP have already said they plan to do this. My question was whether anybody knows what the latest news is on when we might expect it.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#15 - 2014-02-21 10:52:23 UTC
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot


Dont fully agree with that to be honest. I do think a logi pilot who's first prioty is killmails doesn't have the proper focus. Whether or not that makes them bad depends on the fight and how this priority affects their logistics.
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-02-21 10:52:39 UTC
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot


Which is why I miss out on a lot of KMs. I like logi and i'm very good at it.

There are entire battle reports that have no record I was ever on grid, which is total bull considering the amount of effort logi pilots put in.
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-02-21 10:54:40 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot


Dont fully agree with that to be honest.


Yarda Black wrote:

IF killmails are important to you and you feel you need to be on them, you are not in the right ship.

You're either logi or not


Make your mind up plzkthx.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#18 - 2014-02-21 10:55:27 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
You're either logi or not


This is nonsense. It's a PVP game and logistics is a vital role in PVP, there's no reason for logi pilots to miss out on KMs.


You're right. As someone who lights a cyno for fleets, I should be on all killmails. Without me, no fight. I should be on all the blue kills as well. Without me the reds would not have a single target to shoot at.

I do agree with logi being vital for fleets tho. I dont agree with the need to be on killmails.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#19 - 2014-02-21 10:57:40 UTC
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Lol any Logi pilot who tries to ***** on kill mails is not a good logi pilot


Dont fully agree with that to be honest.


Yarda Black wrote:

IF killmails are important to you and you feel you need to be on them, you are not in the right ship.

You're either logi or not


Make your mind up plzkthx.


Those two seem contradicting because they were ripped out of their original context. But even in their current "abused" shape; they're not.
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-02-21 10:58:39 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Laiannah Sahireen wrote:
Yarda Black wrote:
You're either logi or not


This is nonsense. It's a PVP game and logistics is a vital role in PVP, there's no reason for logi pilots to miss out on KMs.


You're right. As someone who lights a cyno for fleets, I should be on all killmails. Without me, no fight. I should be on all the blue kills as well. Without me the reds would not have a single target to shoot at.

I do agree with logi being vital for fleets tho. I dont agree with the need to be on killmails.


I know you're trying to use this as a counterexample as to why my reasoning is flawed, but if there was a sensible way to do it, I agree cyno pilots should get recognition in a battle report. I'm sure we can agree, however that this would be a hell of a lot harder to track than logistics, who are right there on grid activating targeted modules on other ships.

Besides, in my experience it's very rare for anybody to be a dedicated cyno pilot - it's almost always an alt or a main who tackles and then cynos.
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