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Is living in a wormhole the most efficient way of making ISK?

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#21 - 2014-02-21 07:31:59 UTC
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
I'm sure ISK/hour you could make much more grinding incursions out.

I prefer a little dabble of isking in between scouting/hunting/general **** talking.


Haha, you are so wrong


Nullsec pubbie stumbled into the wormhole forums again... back to the kiddie table.


wh pubbie talking back to his nullsec overlords again, tsk tsk...
Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#22 - 2014-02-21 07:51:15 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
wh pubbie talking back to his nullsec overlords again, tsk tsk...


So adorable... It thinks Broski North is over something.

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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#23 - 2014-02-21 10:10:39 UTC
+ cap escallations surely have great isk potential. (maybe even 500m/hr/account) which is imho second only to 100B trading operation
+ standart anoms also bear a bit better isk/hr than nulsec anoms
+ PI is as good as in -1.0 truesec (best NS systems)
+++ you wont get pushed to another system every month or two like in NS (in C4 space)

- your haulers get ganked sometimes


I consider w-space as best carebearing space if you have only few bil to invest.

Winthorp
#24 - 2014-02-21 10:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
I'm sure ISK/hour you could make much more grinding incursions out.

I prefer a little dabble of isking in between scouting/hunting/general **** talking.


Haha, you are so wrong


Nullsec pubbie stumbled into the wormhole forums again... back to the kiddie table.


wh pubbie talking back to his nullsec overlords again, tsk tsk...


Sure you can grind out WH ISK too like a massive bear if you are into that and make a lot more then incursions sure. /shrug

My original comment was to a guy that has never done Wh's so as his next move would have been dipping his feet into the lower end of Wh's then incursions would make him more ISK/Hour. Now if you have the capabilities to run an escalation hole your ISK/Hour is far more

Try getting some context before posting your ridiculous comments.

As you clearly know the escalations efficiency from your days stealing from Polarized and from your alt jew hole that we raped and made a vid about, is there any other WH experience you could possibly have that you would like to add to our WH discussions in the future apart from the elitist junk you post?

You still mad about that alt? We loved the tears will visit again 10/10
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#25 - 2014-02-21 11:27:30 UTC
Angsty Teenager wrote:
Winthorp wrote:
I'm sure ISK/hour you could make much more grinding incursions out.

I prefer a little dabble of isking in between scouting/hunting/general **** talking.


Haha, you are so wrong


I'm quite sure this statement was taking a character with rarely any notable SP into account. Afterall, you can blingfit a vindicator for your 2mil SP toon and run incursions *kiss-hand-style*, but you can't do any notable wormhole content as a beginner on your own.

If you got two paladins/golems to dash through c3/c4-anoms, fine - but until then, incursions are just way more rewarding ISK-wise, while also being 100% safe, not requiring you to pay any attention and potentially paying a lot more than any anoms/sigs you could run in a wormhole - given you can actually listen to incursion people without stomping your forehead into the next wall out of desperation over the showcase of douchebaggery or incompetence.
a DAMN PATRIOT
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#26 - 2014-02-21 13:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: a DAMN PATRIOT
Ignore all the other trolls in this thread. Isk/hr in wspace is hands down the best anywhere in the game. You should immediately sell all your assets and gather together all your friends and begin farming capital escalations.

The key to success is to fit all ewar on your POS so that no wspacers will mess with you. Don't worry about hardeners, they take up too much cpu and are a waste. Also, under no circumstances should you make regular loot runs, or you risk your haulers being caught. Save up at least two weeks worth of blue loot before you even consider moving it. Also if you run low on strontium for your dreads just use the stront from your tower, it's not really necessary anyway. If you are interested in an escort service for your blockade runner, feel free to contact me in game and I will send a fleet to make sure your precious loot makes it safely to hisec. I run the most trusted escort service in all of New Eden.
Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#27 - 2014-02-21 13:36:47 UTC
a DAMN PATRIOT wrote:
Ignore all the other trolls in this thread. Isk/hr in wspace is hands down the best anywhere in the game. You should immediately sell all your assets and gather together all your friends and begin farming capital escalations.

The key to success is to fit all ewar on your POS so that no wspacers will mess with you. Don't worry about hardeners, they take up too much cpu and are a waste. Also, under no circumstances should you make regular loot runs, or you risk your haulers being caught. Save up at least two weeks worth of blue loot before you even consider moving it. Also if you run low on strontium for your dreads just use the stront from your tower, it's not really necessary anyway. If you are interested in an escort service for your blockade runner, feel free to contact me in game and I will send a fleet to make sure your precious loot makes it safely to hisec. I run the most trusted escort service in all of New Eden.


+1 for a legit service.

Would use them again in a heart beat
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#28 - 2014-02-21 22:06:23 UTC
a DAMN PATRIOT wrote:
Ignore all the other trolls in this thread. Isk/hr in wspace is hands down the best anywhere in the game. You should immediately sell all your assets and gather together all your friends and begin farming capital escalations.

The key to success is to fit all ewar on your POS so that no wspacers will mess with you. Don't worry about hardeners, they take up too much cpu and are a waste. Also, under no circumstances should you make regular loot runs, or you risk your haulers being caught. Save up at least two weeks worth of blue loot before you even consider moving it. Also if you run low on strontium for your dreads just use the stront from your tower, it's not really necessary anyway. If you are interested in an escort service for your blockade runner, feel free to contact me in game and I will send a fleet to make sure your precious loot makes it safely to hisec. I run the most trusted escort service in all of New Eden.


This right here is the reason why #dropbears4overlords P

No trolling please

Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#29 - 2014-02-23 03:54:01 UTC
Higher Isk/Hr

Fewer Hours you can do it.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#30 - 2014-02-23 20:17:43 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
a DAMN PATRIOT wrote:
Ignore all the other trolls in this thread. Isk/hr in wspace is hands down the best anywhere in the game. You should immediately sell all your assets and gather together all your friends and begin farming capital escalations.

The key to success is to fit all ewar on your POS so that no wspacers will mess with you. Don't worry about hardeners, they take up too much cpu and are a waste. Also, under no circumstances should you make regular loot runs, or you risk your haulers being caught. Save up at least two weeks worth of blue loot before you even consider moving it. Also if you run low on strontium for your dreads just use the stront from your tower, it's not really necessary anyway. If you are interested in an escort service for your blockade runner, feel free to contact me in game and I will send a fleet to make sure your precious loot makes it safely to hisec. I run the most trusted escort service in all of New Eden.


This right here is the reason why #dropbears4overlords P


Bane, theyve been in overlords for over a month :P

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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#31 - 2014-02-24 05:50:59 UTC
wormholes are like a blessed chaotic mix of paranoia, risk and absolute certainty that one point no matter how good you think you are you will fail in spectacularly stupid way all due to will of Bob.
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
#32 - 2014-02-24 08:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tim Nering
preface: im assuming ur a n00b (like i was......is) telling you all this:
im reading this forum and need to disclaim this to you if you dont realize it. These people answering your questions are some of the biggest corps/alliances in w space. skyfighters, RCC, blue-fire (=D). They are going to tell you a lot of things you may not be able to do yet.. These guys make their money warping dreds and carriers into ratting sties and make piles of isk..... prob not exactly what u were looking for as ur answer. im assuming that u don't have perfect skills and perfect fitting and a perfect everything. im not trying to insult u im just trying to be real about what we got to work with here. so here is the new guy guide to making money in w-space.

I dont know if you have a group or not that are into doing this or if you intend to work alone. But if you are planning on living in one be ready to lose some friends. WH lifestyle is very very different than k space. I personally love it and never really intend on returning to k space. but if you or your friends like the idea of gates, concord, and the ability to go wherever you want whenever you want.... w space is not for you. day tripping in a wormhole u found is highsec full of sites to run tho makes good money! at little risk of investment.

---ok so how to make money---
Long story short, scan out a bunch of holes, find combat sties, salvage those combat sties, find gas sites (figure out what gas is good, hint hint 3 digit gas), and get to work. be obsessed with d scan; press it often. kill sleepers, salvage loot, go sell it when u can.

you will need, dps ships, a noctis, and maybe logi for larger class holes.

useful stie
http://staticmapper.com/ <---use this to find info about a hole

as a reference:
c1 u can solo this in battlecruisers, prob even cruisers. work alone here, ur isk per/hr is pretty low. but this is a good place to start learning how to do ur process of ratting, salvaging ect ect. remember wrecks de-spawn every 2 hrs.
c2 can be soloed in a lot of ships as well. bring a buddy maybe. (i used to solo in a battleship which is a w-space crime for....other reasons)
---this is the point of running sites when i realized how important t2 and t3 resists are---
c3 can be soloed in a t3 prob but...dont if ur new at this. bring help, logi is prob even better. you start to see more battleships, careful careful careful they hurt.
c4 a lot of ppl are going to tell you BRO 2 RR TENGUS MLG PRO 420 SKILLZ 360 NO SCOPE. im not ashamed to say that id never do that. because honestly u start to get warp scrammed here and if ur not hip with sleeper sites these can screw you over! bring friends, have a plan, do it right.
c5-c6 this is where the big boys live. if ur looking for fleet pvp class up here. dont mess around here day tripping because u can end up in some alliances wormhole u shouldn't be mucking around in. figure out who the players are and understand where you are if you plan on doing anything in c5-c6 space.

as a tip: if you arent sure if u are ready for sites in a higher WH, run a data/relic sites in a lower version. that is roughly what the next highest level is like.

happy w-space travels!

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#33 - 2014-02-24 13:17:46 UTC
The isk per hour thing in whs. It's very good. Actually it's crazy good. Heres the thing you can't overlook. The big isk is in C5/C6 capital escalations. You pretty much have to live there to do them fully. So though you can knock out an anomoly in 10 or so minutes for 700+ mil, there are some other things to consider.

You have to set up a pos, fuel it, defend it, haul stuff in and out (which requires scanning). You can't do it solo (you can, but the eviction timer is runnig - you will be found and get evicted).

There is the risk. The constant possibility of surprise PVP, the day you do everything right and still get ganked.

So, once you're set up and running the isk is really good - just don't overlook the week it takes to move in and all the non-farming time and effort that is required to maintain the isk faucet. It's required stuff, not optional stuff.

A better thing to point out. If you're looking to move into wh space just to make isk... odds are it will end poorly. You'll spend a lot of time dodging other players. You'll spend a lot of time closing holes to keep folks out. You'll spend time spinning waiting for folks to stop using your wh as their highway to fun. You'll get ganked and not like it. You may get evicted - folks can look at your kb and deem it's time for you to leave.


If you're coming to wh space to have some fun and live the life - you'll do fine. If you just want easy isk - wh space is not it.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#34 - 2014-02-24 17:08:03 UTC
Rroff wrote:
...most part either ceased to exist, moved onto other things or restructured and no longer interested in it (or no longer have the member base to drop a 60-80 man fleet in for a weekend)...


Just did it.
This weekend.
To some bear in a C2 in a death-star POS (was tough to take down with cruisers!).
For fun; he self-destructed 15Bn+ worth of capitals.

We might keep a lower profile than some of the famous C6 eviction corps, but that's mostly because we're neither big enough nor capital-heavy enough to do so. But we have a good time kicking farmers in the teeth with subcaps semi-regularly, and we're far from alone. Just because you don't personally know the people doing it doesn't mean it's not happening :-)

On the original topic, no, wormholes are not the most efficient ISK-making. Trading and large-scale moon-mining eclipse it. C3 and above wormholes can provide ISK just a bit worse than hisec incursions, but there's a lot of logistical work surrounding it (rolling holes, hauling, POS maintenance, scouting, etc.). C5 and C6 escalations can exceed Incursion income substantially. However, it's a fun way to make a living and get plenty of small-gang PvP, which is the combination that keeps me in w-space.
Epigene
Cordata Enterprises
#35 - 2014-02-27 02:27:56 UTC
Tabs27 wrote:
I have never lived in a wormhole.. I heard that there's a lot of potential for making ISK in there though.. What are the pros and cons?



Sure there is a lot of ISK to be made in a WH, no doubt about it. But whenever I have recruits talk about ISK / Hour, I get a little annoyed. Scouting for routes, getting fuel in, setting up towers, bringing in ships, mods, ammunition costs a lot of time. Plus, the substantial risk of losing your ratting ship cuts into your profit.

All these issues are solved by joining a well-run WH corporation (like ours, if I may shamelessly advertise) but then you split the profit. I don't know exactly where the inflection point is (i.e. when do Incursions / LvL4 become more profitable) but I guess somewhere at C2 level with 10 active people. Go higher in WH class (like our C4) or lower in pilot numbers and the ISK / hour works again.

Lastly, the best ISK / hour is flipping burgers at McDonalds. Where I live, minimum wage is a little less than 1/2 PLEX / hour. No WH can do that.
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-03-09 20:10:28 UTC
while the isk per hour spent farming is pretty good the actual isk per hour is pretty bad, if you include the time spent fuelling the pos, scanning, hole collapsing and all that boring **** it's pretty ****. and while a dedicated group of you and a few friends with a bunch of alts can just move from c5 to c5 to farm and make insane amounts of money in a very short time spent you need to have capitals for that and a fair bit of starting isk.

you can also use a c4 and either live in 1 and have a carrier to rat in it and just grind out the sites every 3-4 days or get something with a c4 static and then roll it until you get sites and then use dual boxing domis or tengus or something and grind that **** out. sometimes you might get 25 sites sometimes 0 sites 10 times in a row.

incursions in the meantime are really good isk and you can farm them all day every day and its all in highsec and you don't need alts to do them, while whs are doable without alts it can be really annoying and bad if you die without a way back in.

whs are more about the atmosphere as others have mentioned.
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