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Fides Bank - The new EVE Bank

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Magnu Stormhawk
#21 - 2014-01-28 11:02:24 UTC
The biggest issues that all past EVE banks have faced are the security of the funds and the safe management of those funds to prevent loss. There does not yet exist a mechanism in game to properly implement a risk free structure. Trust and reputation have been relied on before and many many people got burned.

Your ONLY solution to this huge obstacle, in your attempt to start a bank, is to tell us that you are all mates so you wont scam anyone. Which is either horseshit or very shortsighted.

I get your reasoning, even though I don't think you can make it work on a practical level. But this aint gonna fly. If you want liquidity, ask for a loan like everyone else, it will save you a lot of hassle and has a better chance of getting the funds that you need.

virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-01-28 18:47:09 UTC
screams ponzi to me sorry
One of the previous successful ponzi scammers who took a ton and did a massive write up afterwards listed the main elements that every ponzi needs and that act as flags
off the top of my head it went something like this:

an interest rate too good to be true to lure in investors
a website to shepherd the investors to so that communication can be controlled easily
similarly minimise communication on the official forums because it's very hard to control
barriers to withdrawal and encouragement not to withdraw
a very small team or single person running the bank
a vague business plan on how the profit will be made

I'm afraid your offer to me ticks all the wrong flags.

I'll see if I can find the original story to link.

Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2014-01-29 09:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Setsune Rin
that was james 315 wasn't it?

shouldn't be hard to find, he's boasted it all over


edit: found it

http://web.archive.org/web/20091026234156/http://geocities.com/currintrading/
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-01-29 14:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
Thanks for finding the link for me I couldn't, kept getting to the Phaser Inc ponzi which is all empty links now.
and at the end of the link you posted was what I was looking for - it took a little jiggery pokery to get the link to work so here it is if anyone wants:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091021193732/http://geocities.com/currintrading/bank.html

This epilogue to the story linked in the post above shows a scammer recognising the flags of another's operation, fascinating stuff.

Move forwards to today and what a fine upstanding citizen of Eve James 315 has become, magnanimous father, ruler and protector of high-sec, a shining example to all of us. Founder of a galaxy wide protectorate of Jediesque dedicated knights honoring James 315's vision through their unwavering diligence and self sacrifice, spreading the uplifting joys of the New Halamia code of conduct for the greater benefit and betterment of us all. Bringing enlightenment to all, educating the ignorant, eradicating the unworthy, enriching our lives, freeing serfs from their space shackles, and illuminating the path out of our darkness, James 315 and his agents ceaselessly toil that the rest of us may lead richer more rewarding lives.
Glory be to the New Order.
http://www.minerbumping.com/

I would also like to point out that the wealthy philanthropists have invested almost 200 billion ISK in James 315's vision for the betterment of Eve.
Hektor Aldent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-02-12 07:43:06 UTC
So far so good with my small investment in this bank. They've paid up for the last two weeks. Answered all my questions.

Bump.
I Was There
Habemus
#26 - 2014-02-12 10:08:21 UTC
Hey, I also have a bank. All my employees are trustworthy, because I know them in real life, and because I kidnapped their families. Send me all your isk, because I'll make them grow. I'll your money in some corps I know that ALWAYS need more money, and always pay their interests. Also, Obama officially approves of my bank, and so does Putin.
Tronjay the'3rd
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2014-02-12 12:00:30 UTC
Mentz Ihnon wrote:
Jace Sarice wrote:
Good luck to you. It would be nice if a respected bank actually took off in Eve.


Thank you very much. It will be a long way to go because of the bad history but we're confident that trust will grow over time.


Even trustworthy people can get untrustworthy if it relates to a shitload of isk. Proved over and over again with EVE banks.

兵者,詭道也。故能而示之不能,用而示之不用,近而示之遠,遠而示之近

**Sun Tzu **©

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2014-02-15 00:36:28 UTC
I Was There wrote:
Hey, I also have a bank. All my employees are trustworthy, because I know them in real life, and because I kidnapped their families. Send me all your isk, because I'll make them grow. I'll your money in some corps I know that ALWAYS need more money, and always pay their interests. Also, Obama officially approves of my bank, and so does Putin.


Will you submit to an audit to prove that you actually have their families? I've been burned before on people claiming this only to find out that they were scammers who only had pets or distant relatives.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-02-19 13:36:16 UTC
Was ist ein Einbruch in eine Bank gegen die Gründung einer Bank?
Bertold Brecht -Die Dreigroschenoper

Google translates it:
What is an intrusion into a bank compared with founding a bank?

I like the irony in the "Fides" Bank name Twisted
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-02-20 21:12:16 UTC
One time bump to fix forum.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#31 - 2014-02-21 03:40:37 UTC
As one honest business person to another (presumably), I have a few suggestions:

1. Delete the part where you say all others who have tried it failed or scammed.

2. Delete the part where you suggest you would burn your friends' houses down if they scammed you.

3. Don't use the forums to advertise a Ponzi, I mean bank, directly.

4. Do include the link in your forum sig and add a thoughtful comment on as many threads as possible.

5. Read the lovely story about Currin Trading. Google the thread from the old forums in which James 315 announces his alt. Read every other ponzi/bank story from Eve. Read ponzi stories from the real world. Take notes, lots of notes.

6. Seek out help and guidance from other successful honest business people. Perhaps you'll even find a partner willing to help you launch a sucessful ponzi, I mean bank, for a share of the profits.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Pickle Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-02-21 19:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Pickle Solette
hmm
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