Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i am allways suprised when or how did people like you evolved enough to be able to use keyboards... Nerf what? my main source off income ? gtfo

Aw 1-Up, see here I was thinking your op was a troll. I mean -50 flight time and -60% velocity has to be an exageration by a HML fanboy alt upset over someone pointing out that they enjoy advantages over turret counterparts when such would disrupt their unthinking preference to see themselves as the downtroden.

But then you had to go posting serious replies and valid arguments about heavy missile range and damage over range as compared to medium turrets. You had to point out the outlying abilities of Drakes and Tengus accounting for them being everywhere and in the case of the Tengu everything for some folks.

Now how are we supposed to view this thread? Stay consistent man. EIther tone down that op to some serious numbers or spice up your subsequent replies with more outrageous and exagerated claims.

^^ This. So true.

@Op, you are being unrealistic.

Hurricane is largely there because of goons relatively new love for them. Regardless, Drake has been sitting at the top for a long time.

Moved from General Discussion.

Are you seriously trying to tell us that the Caracal needs nerfing?

heavy missiles taking 15 seconds to go 100km for 500dps is less OP than artillery cannons doing instant 500dps at 100km.

The only reason hml's have 100km range is because it takes them forever to get there, and can easily be avoided by a fast enough ship.

If they fix missiles to make the travel faster, then I would fully understand a range nerf.

Oh, and the lag issue is being fixed by the new server setting that is going to intentionally slow itself to keep form lagging and crashing.

while drawing lines along the 'short range' and 'long range' weapon group while seeming intuitive, is not accurate and should not apply to missiles.

short range turrets = high tracking high damage
long range turrets = crappy tracking lower damage

whereas:

unguided missiles (short range) = crappy 'tracking' high damage
guided missiles (long range) = high 'tracking' lower damage

if anything it is this differentiation between missiles and turrets that is irking you. I understand that it does seem somewhat backwards when thinking in terms of turrets.

but on the other hand thinking guided vs unguided it does make more sense. guided missiles should be more accurate with longer range, while unguided missiles are less accurate, shorter range, but better damage.

some important points made which should be kept in mind:

the trade off is flight time and missiles disappearing in pvp lag.
sure heavy missiles are extremely versatile, however the realm of missiles is mostly confined to PvE, and even then i must say solo PvE because in group PvE (incursions) many fleets scorn missile ships.

I've used missiles and lasers, everything has its own can of worms. I don't believe heavy missiles are unbalanced nor out of whack. they just have different uses.

also, keep in mind that as a weapon system, heavy missiles are the -most- versatile of all missiles. rockets and torps are probably the next most useful. standard missiles, hams, cruise are all somewhat 'meh.'

Yep. Works fine. 4BCUs on a drake with bad skills is great.

The artycane gets 2 volleys to land before the drakes first missile hits. The drakes missiles can't hit small targets for decent damage ever, while the artycane can 1 volley them as they burn in. Pretty much any ship can be moving fast enough to time out the missiles if they start at extreme range. Canes aren't great arty platforms to begin with.

this topics: oh no there is an alternative to matar/projecile lets nerf it asap !!!