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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#161 - 2014-02-20 21:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ice mining doesn't really pay better
One person mining horrible and common ice generates pretty much exactly the same amount of wealth per hour as a high-end moon. The difference is that you can upgrade to better ice (to say nothing of ore) but not better moons, and that you can far easily increase the number of income sources.

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As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower.
…and it means there is a lot more effort involved in making ISK from a moon than you're including.

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Log in, Click a Button, Log Out,
If that is all you do, you have yet to earn anything. Hell, you have yet to have anything to earn from. But of course, that's not all you do — you're just blatantly lying about the effort that is actually involved.
Saint Dongsmith
Dongsmith Investments and Acquisitions
#162 - 2014-02-20 21:30:24 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining.
So you mean it's not like you log in, warp to BM, and go off and do something else?
Also, if ice mining requires more interaction, it's because it pays better and scales better, so it is as it should be.

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Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive.
It means there's a hell of a lot more effort involved than what you're including…


Ice mining doesn't really pay better, unless you are doing it with a group of players, which includes not only singular interaction, but social interaction, and multiple people interacting with the mining effort. 1 dude mining AFK is not going to make any noteworthy amount of ISK. I suggest you go out and try it sometime.

As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower. Also Effort is not interaction. I have to put effort into organizing Incusrions, as well as actively engage in them, I have to put effort into organizing a mining operation as well as actively engage in the act of mining, I have to put forth effort in the organization of mass mission running, as well as engage in it.

Log in, Click a Button, Log Out, Make Isk (via Valued Product), fund 50K peoples SRP so they don't need to PVE either.


lol no your wrong
Mario Putzo
#163 - 2014-02-20 21:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ice mining doesn't really pay better
One person mining horrible and common ice generates pretty much exactly the same amount of wealth per hour as a high-end moon. The difference is that you can upgrade to better ice (to say nothing of ore) but not better moons, and that you can far easily increase the number of income sources.

Quote:
As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower.
…and it means there is a lot more effort involved in making ISK from a moon than you're including.

Quote:
Log in, Click a Button, Log Out,
If that is all you do, you have yet to earn anything. Hell, you have yet to have anything to earn from. But of course, that's not all you do — you're just blatantly lying about the effort that is actually involved.


No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining. There is minimal interaction between played and actually harvesting the goo. I hate having to be a broken record because of terribly uninformed trolls like yourself. If you think Moon mining is interactive at all you are grossly misinformed about it. (the other crap you keep trying to bring up is not relative to the function of moons in any way shape or form.)

(well I guess manufacturing is more passive vOv its just as much a log in/click button/log out.)
Saint Dongsmith
Dongsmith Investments and Acquisitions
#164 - 2014-02-20 21:35:40 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Ice mining doesn't really pay better
One person mining horrible and common ice generates pretty much exactly the same amount of wealth per hour as a high-end moon. The difference is that you can upgrade to better ice (to say nothing of ore) but not better moons, and that you can far easily increase the number of income sources.

Quote:
As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower.
…and it means there is a lot more effort involved in making ISK from a moon than you're including.

Quote:
Log in, Click a Button, Log Out,
If that is all you do, you have yet to earn anything. Hell, you have yet to have anything to earn from. But of course, that's not all you do — you're just blatantly lying about the effort that is actually involved.


No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining. There is 0 interaction between played and actually harvesting the goo. I hate having to be a broken record because of terribly uninformed trolls like yourself. If you think Moon mining is interactive at all you are grossly misinformed about it.

(well I guess manufacturing is more passive vOv its just as much a log in/click button/log out.)


your still wrong
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#165 - 2014-02-20 21:35:42 UTC
Kadl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I seem to be doing something wrong here. I have just noticed that my moons are infact not injecting isk straight in to my wallet. Can someone from highsec please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?


It seems that someone higher up in your organization has appropriated the funds. I suggest rising in your organization or taking over the moons yourself. You will need a small group of serfs to organize things for you and deposit the funds properly. Blink


Damn, I must figure out how someone managed to steal the proceeds from my personal moons run by my 1 man alt corp.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2014-02-20 21:38:58 UTC
I always wonder why people responds to this OP's post.

Keep feeding people...

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Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2014-02-20 21:40:20 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining.


How about Datacore Research? It it quite passive. It has been marginalized by more active pursuits.

I am in favor of moon mining being marginalized in a similar way. That will likely need to be done in tandem with improvements in other nullsec income streams.
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2014-02-20 21:43:10 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I seem to be doing something wrong here. I have just noticed that my moons are infact not injecting isk straight in to my wallet. Can someone from highsec please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?


It seems that someone higher up in your organization has appropriated the funds. I suggest rising in your organization or taking over the moons yourself. You will need a small group of serfs to organize things for you and deposit the funds properly. Blink


Damn, I must figure out how someone managed to steal the proceeds from my personal moons run by my 1 man alt corp.


Given your statement about a one man corp, I think you forgot to acquire the serfs. They are an integral part of the direct transfer processes.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#169 - 2014-02-20 21:47:01 UTC
Kadl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I seem to be doing something wrong here. I have just noticed that my moons are infact not injecting isk straight in to my wallet. Can someone from highsec please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?


It seems that someone higher up in your organization has appropriated the funds. I suggest rising in your organization or taking over the moons yourself. You will need a small group of serfs to organize things for you and deposit the funds properly. Blink


Damn, I must figure out how someone managed to steal the proceeds from my personal moons run by my 1 man alt corp.


Given your statement about a one man corp, I think you forgot to acquire the serfs. They are an integral part of the direct transfer processes.


We have serfs. We call them renters, but they're mostly useless for performing useful tasks so we just make them give us their money so we can pvp for free.

I am still waiting for a highsec person to teach me how to make my moons inject isk directly in to my wallet. According to several posters this is the norm, but no one can explain how it actually works.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#170 - 2014-02-20 21:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mario Putzo wrote:
No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining.
…except S&I, large parts of trading, and maybe PI if you don't mind losing a bit efficiency. The only difference with moon mining is how poorly it pays.

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I hate having to be a broken record because of terribly uninformed trolls like yourself. If you think Moon mining is interactive
…you haven't been paying attention because you're too busy trolling to stay informed about what's actually being said. Instead of being a broken record, try reading. It'll help immensely with picking up that information you're missing.
Ai Shun
#171 - 2014-02-20 21:59:40 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
EvEs currency should be resources.


Me: I'd like to buy a Titan.
You: That will be 2,433,987,111,893,654 chickens.

Let's not go there, okay?
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#172 - 2014-02-20 22:09:19 UTC
There is no such thing as passive income
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#173 - 2014-02-20 22:09:20 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
EvEs currency should be resources.


Some games are well suited to having resource based currencies, Diablo 2 for example worked well using this basis even if it did get a little confusing. EVE is not one of those games.

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Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2014-02-20 22:10:08 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
We have serfs. We call them renters, but they're mostly useless for performing useful tasks so we just make them give us their money so we can pvp for free.

I am still waiting for a highsec person to teach me how to make my moons inject isk directly in to my wallet. According to several posters this is the norm, but no one can explain how it actually works.


You are obviously taking this discussion much more seriously then I am. I will quit poking fun at you since you seem to want your serious points more than some fun.

As a reward for your patience: It is utterly obvious that the materials must be sold. Given the locations and present pricing they are most likely transported (although you could sell directly). The materials must also be properly extracted (some POS knowledge, setup and maintenance.) It is also true that these activities are quite lucrative for the time involved.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#175 - 2014-02-20 22:13:33 UTC
Kadl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
We have serfs. We call them renters, but they're mostly useless for performing useful tasks so we just make them give us their money so we can pvp for free.

I am still waiting for a highsec person to teach me how to make my moons inject isk directly in to my wallet. According to several posters this is the norm, but no one can explain how it actually works.


You are obviously taking this discussion much more seriously then I am. I will quit poking fun at you since you seem to want your serious points more than some fun.

As a reward for your patience: It is utterly obvious that the materials must be sold. Given the locations and present pricing they are most likely transported (although you could sell directly). The materials must also be properly extracted (some POS knowledge, setup and maintenance.) It is also true that these activities are quite lucrative for the time involved.


Multiple highsec people have said many times that this is not so. Obviously they are right & you are wrong. Could I please get an intelligent & well informed highsec person to tell me how to be awesome?

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2014-02-20 22:18:23 UTC
Posting in yet another "Force all the players with demanding jobs, real life commitments, families and kids to quit so that the bored and probably students or unemployed EVE obsessed can feel better about themselves." thread ... :D
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2014-02-20 22:19:43 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
EvEs currency should be resources.


Me: I'd like to buy a Titan.
You: That will be 2,433,987,111,893,654 Fedos.

Let's not go there, okay?



Fixed that :D
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#178 - 2014-02-20 22:26:12 UTC
Do you in fact have any cheese here whatsoever?

OP: Yes

Really?

OP: Not really, no.

Well then I'm sorry but I'm going to have to shoot you

OP: Right o

*pistol shot rings out*

...what a senseless waste of human life.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2014-02-20 23:23:05 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kadl wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
We have serfs. We call them renters, but they're mostly useless for performing useful tasks so we just make them give us their money so we can pvp for free.

I am still waiting for a highsec person to teach me how to make my moons inject isk directly in to my wallet. According to several posters this is the norm, but no one can explain how it actually works.


You are obviously taking this discussion much more seriously then I am. I will quit poking fun at you since you seem to want your serious points more than some fun.

As a reward for your patience: It is utterly obvious that the materials must be sold. Given the locations and present pricing they are most likely transported (although you could sell directly). The materials must also be properly extracted (some POS knowledge, setup and maintenance.) It is also true that these activities are quite lucrative for the time involved.


Multiple highsec people have said many times that this is not so. Obviously they are right & you are wrong. Could I please get an intelligent & well informed highsec person to tell me how to be awesome?


What, you mean you don't just fly to the moon and isk doesn't just magically appear in your wallet? Say it ain't so. Roll
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#180 - 2014-02-20 23:28:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
EvEs currency should be resources.


Some games are well suited to having resource based currencies, Diablo 2 for example worked well using this basis even if it did get a little confusing. EVE is not one of those games.


I can't really imagine diablo 2 without its barter system, but I also didn't really like the gameplay related to bartering items, muling items, advertising for items, etc. The introduction of runes in the expansion as nearly universally accepted currency was a help. But it the system had its downsides.

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