Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And you're sure corp with 10 people can definitely do it under these conditions against an alliance of 100+. I afraid your incentive sucks pretty hard. But you're too busy with crying about people not wishing to fight being outnumbered 10 to 1 to notice it.



Indeed war dec mechanic is broken, being extremely biased towards attacker. If you look back, almost every war of 20th century were a mutual war, where each involved party had the incentive to fight, and the parties who didn't want to fight dodged it every time, sometimes losing their assets, sometimes keeping them with diplomacy, but if they truly didn't want to fight, a way out was always there.
You should bless the current mechanics. They give you too much.

That bestower was lost during my first month in eve years ago, and to this day remains my one and only PvP loss. People who bring this up from 2010 are funny, it's like they actually expect I'll still be upset

Having only one loss in 4 years make me pretty damn good at PvP, after all this time in Providence, wormholes, and some more endeavors I would not speak about. Actually, that makes me better at PvP than PvE, considering i took a lot more losses from sleepers

Here's your evidence. Me being on carebear side is just due to the fact that your side has an advantage and still rants. HTFU and learn2gank.

We actually had what I refer to as a magical moment, when a so-called 'soft' industrial target we decced came out in a massive cruiser and battlecruiser fleet and fought us head on. After we wiped the floor with them, their surprising response brought tears to my eyes -- they asked to schedule a rematch, which we both honored the terms on with a battle at the sun; this time they fielded a fricken fleet of battleships, throwing caution and ISK to the wind to 'learn pvp'...

I won't mention who they are for obvious reasons, but I will say they were extended an open invitation to join our training corps, and given immediate and honest feedback on what to fix.

THAT is how EvE should be...IMHO, and the goal of my wardec fixes. Inspire more moments like that. If they had of whined or petitioned for nerfs to wardecs, I would be calling for their perma-deccing and disbandment; instead my door is now always open to them.

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That is awesome. But it is the exception, not the rule. But not all pvp is shots fired, pvp is also shots denied, which is the value of dropping corp. Pvp is also getting others to do it for you whenever appropriate. That is at least two reasons why, I think my industrial alt corp has not had any dec's in like 5 months. That and they are no longer perceived as noob bait... None of the proposals on here identify a real problem, or propose a sensible solution.

Please explain me, what's awesome about a phony coolstory which sounds like "One day during routine griefing operation we had a gudfait, and now I want every hisec pilot to ask for my permission to play eve due to that."

It is cool if true, because pvp is the heart and soul of this game. any one who truly wants to learn, needs a lot of help and training to gain experience.


I agree with your assessment. Your right! He proves that he war dec's looking for easy kills. He admits he decced a soft target and was surprised when they fought back. He was probably so happy with them for padding his killboard with a bunch of bc and bs kills. I was try to look past that.


I have actually been thinking about this quite a bit... I think your silliness is in fact the best idea for this thread. NO MORE WAR. This would accomplish either causing more suicide ganks from all the hard core high sec pvpers (or hopefully) drive said pvpers into low sec where it really belongs, or at least designed to accomodate. I would hope for the latter, lo sec can be really quite boring and mostly dominated by the 'real' hard core pvp corps. If all the merc pvpers spent more time in low sec, aiming for 'real' gudfights, then there would be more fun to had by me and mine.

The issue against this is: How to take down POS and POCO? guess that would only require a major nerf where high sec wars could ONLY occur on a planet or moon (Lore: Concord doesnt want fighting to occur on gates or stations because it is disruptive to intergalactic stability and commerce)... queue up the flame posting haters...

I love the idea that wardec fees would amount to putting a bounty on your own corp/alliance - that sounds fun. If the funds run out, make the bounties continue to come out of the executor corp's wallet.

IMO the biggest problem with war decs is the very nature of highsec wars - aka station games. If your ship is yellow-boxed by a war target, you should not be allowed to dock. Neutral RR is also a long-standing problem that should be solved through concordokken.

I would suggest creating a reason to fight when wardecced - make it mandatory. For instance, perhapes a portion of the CONCORD wardec fees would go to the creation of a DED arena in the decced corp's HQ system. Attackers and defenders would be required to spend a certain amount of time in a no-cloak region of the arena to continue the war. An alternative goal for war continuation could be an 'isk killed/lost' threshold. If defenders don't fight enough within a week, they lose x isk to the attackers as a 'surrender' fee. If attackers don't show, make them pay an extra fee for wasting CONCORD's time and drop the wardec.

To the OP - life in New Eden is meant to be neither safe nor fair. For wars against defenseless indy corps, the 'war ally' mechanics were added. An effective mercenary group for an ally *should* deter those who made the declaration.

So nice to see old wounds open. Especially if they've been festering and filling with puss.

None of what anyone has said matters. You're all just singing your same old sob-songs about how Eve should be played your way, instead of looking at the mechanics of the game and considering how to improve them, and thus improve the game.

Just please, for a moment, consider what the definition of "War" is in the reality we're all escaping from and what "War" actually means in Eve right now.

Nobody sees a conflict here? Really?

War should be expensive, for everyone. Right now it's only expensive for new corporations. It should be expensive for old corporations, big corporations, small corporations, etc...

War should not be an isk-farming tool.

War should be something you declare to accomplish something, not just pew-pew a bit, get some lol-mails of noob fits and log off until next weekend.

"Teach the Noobs how to play." is not a legitimate reason to randomly war-dec noob corps. Reason? It obviously doesn't work, your success rate is so laughably low I can't be bothered to guesstimate it.

Carebears exist for a reason. Lousy tutorials that do not explain just how deeply PvP is ingrained into every aspect of the game, no matter where you are in the game. The tutorials need to be changed, but if we petition CCP to change them will they get better or worse? Likely worse.

Another possible change that would help clarify a big misunderstanding: Get rid of the tag "War". Call it anything but war because as the mechanic is being used now it is not a "Declaration of War" because aggressors in a war have a purpose. Majority of War Declarations occurring are only being done for lols. Not a legitimate purpose for a war, sorry. Just call it a High Security Piracy Permit or something, because as it stands right now that's all it is.

Third possible change to help with the problem: Do as I suggested. By the time players are in their own corporation and making decisions as a group they should be capable of some critical thinking skills. People panic when they are only given one option and immediately balk from it and look for some other unmentioned alternative. Give them a second or even third option to consider immediately and they will explore the rest of the legitimate solutions themselves. Slamming the door shut on people's options for avoiding fighting as they are is not going to solve the problem, they'll just find other ways to circumvent your aggressive behavior because they are being told they have one option, and that option generally sucks, because let's face it....

None of you are declaring war against anyone you have any hope of losing against.

I also love how everyone is entrenched in the idea that the only way to fight a war is Side A grabs their ships, Side B grabs theirs, and everybody fights at high noon or whenever the hell the 24 hour grace period is up. Really showing a deep understanding of all of the dynamic gameplay options CCP has laid out on the table, guys.

Give new players more legitimate options to FIGHT wars, passively or actively, up front as soon as the war is declared, turn off the high sec war deccing isk faucet and make those lazy twits earn their keep, and watch the game grow as a whole.

How about the money paid into wars goes into a bounty set against the corporation paying for the dec. The corporation that is declared upon will receive a bounty pay out when they kill ships from the corp that decced them based upon how much they paid to enter into the war.

As of right now, there really isn't much of a point in undocking if you are war decked and don't have extremely fat wallets to replace **** or skills to fly a combat ship. honestly, outside of taking down the occasional pos and customs station, or defending them, there really isn't much reason to fight a war.

You'd simply be far better off enticing the defender to fight back. at least then you might get a fight that you want.

You're projecting your own abysmal killboard and pvp inadequacies all over everyone else with that one I'm afraid. News flash, not everyone sucks at pvp just because you do.

As I have also exposed, there are two hidden agendas at work in this thread putting their true intentions on full display. That is the carebears who want hisec to be a 100% safe disneyland like WoW with the complete removal of wardecs, alongside the losec/null pvp'ers who would just as gladly see wardecs gone to drive more pvp into their empty / TiDi wastelands...

Its laughable actually, that people who go on record saying they are ok with removing wardecs entirely have the balls to pretend to offer 'fixes' to the mechanic.

Its clear that CCP has shifted the pendulum too far into the theme-park zone contrary to HTFU values, and balance can only be restored by the measures I mentioned...

- Allow war defenders to claim agressor war fees based on ships killed as an incentive for them to come out and fight
- Add a stasis period to corp jumpers trying to dodge wars by leaving corps under wardec
- Increase NPC corp taxes, or auto-boot players from NPC corps after 60 days, never to return

CCP either fundamentally believes in HTFU and hisec pvp through its wardec mechanic, or it does not. What chafes is they haven't the balls to get rid of it entirely or make them consensual only in the open for all to see, instead they hide their road to nerfdom policies by leaving a dodge mechanism you can drive a truck through logic wise while giving it a death of 1,000 cuts... Despicable.

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