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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#141 - 2014-02-20 19:21:11 UTC
Oh come now

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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unidenify
Deaf Armada
#142 - 2014-02-20 19:25:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.


are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2014-02-20 19:32:15 UTC
unidenify wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.

are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?

Wait… I missed that one. Wth?! Shocked

Yeah, I would also like to know what this “one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money” is.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#144 - 2014-02-20 19:41:04 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
You know what needs to be removed? General Discussion subforum. NPC alt posting abilities.


Carmen is my main. I made her in 2003. My null alliance dudes are my alts. Cool

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2014-02-20 19:47:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.

are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?

Wait… I missed that one. Wth?! Shocked

Yeah, I would also like to know what this “one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money” is.


Something, something, null RMT lords.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#146 - 2014-02-20 19:48:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.

are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?

Wait… I missed that one. Wth?! Shocked

Yeah, I would also like to know what this “one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money” is.



It could be argued that PLEX leads to higher ISK velocity, rather than it building up in people's wallets, where it's not spent.

The argument is somewhat shaky

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unidenify
Deaf Armada
#147 - 2014-02-20 19:48:55 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Tippia wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.

are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?

Wait… I missed that one. Wth?! Shocked

Yeah, I would also like to know what this “one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money” is.



It could be argued that PLEX leads to higher ISK velocity, rather than it building up in people's wallets, where it's not spent.

The argument is somewhat shaky


PLEX is unique case that I love to see real life version

PLEX allow transfer of wealth from rich players to poor players for cost

so gap between bottom 25% and top 25% in theory would have small gap due to PLEX, so there would be more people able to afford products (modules, drone, ammo and ships)

So, it provide a lot of activity in market which no doubt grow as result.

PLEX don't directly cause inflation, but it is question if they do cause indirectly through market growth,

I can buy this argument myself
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#148 - 2014-02-20 19:54:06 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
It could be argued that PLEX leads to higher ISK velocity, rather than it building up in people's wallets, where it's not spent.

The argument is somewhat shaky

I could buy that, but that's also something very different from directly injecting ISK into the economy.
Mario Putzo
#149 - 2014-02-20 20:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Moon mining needs to be nerfed substantially. The fact you can generate what amounts to billions in income value without interacting is ridiculous. As someone who abuses the **** out of free income value in Moons I believe that it is an incredibly unbalanced mechanic.

Moon mining either needs to be eliminated completely with materials being relocated to another form of active PVE, or it needs to see a mechanic change that requires players to actually initiate active button pressing. The fact you can pull what amounts to billions in ISK a week from moons is poor for overall game play.

Due to this you see groups like CFC and N3 being capable of generating income levels that allow for entire ship replacement programs for tens of thousands of players, essentially eliminating the need for tens of thousands of people to actively engage in generating their own ISK. This is all passive income, either directly from the moons themselves or from the rental income generated by moons of renters. The fact 1 dude in a Jump Freighter is capable of generating 10's of Billions of ISK per region by simply clicking a button a couple times a week^number of moons is ridiculous.

Source: Me, 1 Single Dude with a Jump freighter who babysits 2 regions worth of moon income which requires about 5 hours of actual effort per week to generate about 15B ISK on average
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#150 - 2014-02-20 20:43:49 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Moon mining needs to be nerfed substantially. The fact you can generate what amounts to billions in income value without interacting is ridiculous. As someone who abuses the **** out of free income value in Moons I believe that it is an incredibly unbalanced mechanic.
…except that it requires a fair amount of interaction and doesn't pay any better than highsec ice mining.

Quote:
Source: Me, 1 Single Dude with a Jump freighter who babysits 2 regions worth of moon income which requires about 5 hours of actual effort per week to generate about 15B ISK on average
And you've included the need to get and hold that space and actually put the goo to market into that effort?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#151 - 2014-02-20 20:48:29 UTC
Quote:
Moon mining either needs to be eliminated completely with materials being relocated to another form of active PVE


Lol, "active PvE".

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#152 - 2014-02-20 20:55:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.

are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?

Wait… I missed that one. Wth?! Shocked



Because you only read far enough into a post to find something to argue about. You actually miss a lot of stuff. A lot of the time.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#153 - 2014-02-20 21:01:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Because you only read far enough into a post to find something to argue about.
…which would explain why I read far enough to get to the part after that so I could comment on it.

By the way, what is this “one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money”? Because you kind of missed that question, you know…
Mario Putzo
#154 - 2014-02-20 21:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Moon mining needs to be nerfed substantially. The fact you can generate what amounts to billions in income value without interacting is ridiculous. As someone who abuses the **** out of free income value in Moons I believe that it is an incredibly unbalanced mechanic.
…except that it requires a fair amount of interaction and doesn't pay any better than highsec ice mining.

Quote:
Source: Me, 1 Single Dude with a Jump freighter who babysits 2 regions worth of moon income which requires about 5 hours of actual effort per week to generate about 15B ISK on average
And you've included the need to get and hold that space and actually put the goo to market into that effort?


No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining. Contrary to popular belief, unless you are botting (which is against the rules) mining requires an irritating amount of interaction. POS Moon mining is pretty much log in, click button, log out, make isk.

Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive. Put up new pos, log in, click button, log out, make isk.

The system is ****, as are all passive income streams, If you are not clicking buttons you shouldn't make bank. Especially when said income streams allow for tens of thousands of others to go without required ISK making. SRP programs built on Moongoo remove the need for tens of thousands to generate their own wealth...which is poor for the game. Everyone should have to press buttons to play this game...not just a dozen dudes babysitting the Moons in Blue Doughnut.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#155 - 2014-02-20 21:06:22 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Moon mining needs to be nerfed substantially. The fact you can generate what amounts to billions in income value without interacting is ridiculous. As someone who abuses the **** out of free income value in Moons I believe that it is an incredibly unbalanced mechanic.
…except that it requires a fair amount of interaction and doesn't pay any better than highsec ice mining.

Quote:
Source: Me, 1 Single Dude with a Jump freighter who babysits 2 regions worth of moon income which requires about 5 hours of actual effort per week to generate about 15B ISK on average
And you've included the need to get and hold that space and actually put the goo to market into that effort?


No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining. Contrary to popular belief, unless you are botting (which is against the rules) mining requires an irritating amount of interaction. POS Moon mining is pretty much log in, click button, log out, make isk.

Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive. Put up new pos, log in, click button, log out, make isk.

The system is ****, as are all passive income streams, If you are not clicking buttons you shouldn't make bank. Especially when said income streams allow for tens of thousands of others to go without required ISK making. SRP programs built on Moongoo remove the need for tens of thousands to generate their own wealth...which is poor for the game. Everyone should have to press buttons to play this game...not just a dozen dudes babysitting the Moons in Blue Doughnut.


Yes, I just click a few buttons & my moons inject isk straight in to my wallet. You've figured it all out, well done.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#156 - 2014-02-20 21:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mario Putzo wrote:
No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining.
So you mean it's not like you log in, warp to BM, and go off and do something else?
Also, if ice mining requires more interaction, it's because it pays better and scales better, so it is as it should be.

Quote:
Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive.
It means there's a hell of a lot more effort involved than what you're including…
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#157 - 2014-02-20 21:15:10 UTC
I seem to be doing something wrong here. I have just noticed that my moons are infact not injecting isk straight in to my wallet. Can someone from highsec please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?

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Saint Dongsmith
Dongsmith Investments and Acquisitions
#158 - 2014-02-20 21:20:01 UTC
im from hisec moons dont do that
Kadl
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2014-02-20 21:21:45 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I seem to be doing something wrong here. I have just noticed that my moons are infact not injecting isk straight in to my wallet. Can someone from highsec please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?


It seems that someone higher up in your organization has appropriated the funds. I suggest rising in your organization or taking over the moons yourself. You will need a small group of serfs to organize things for you and deposit the funds properly. Blink
Mario Putzo
#160 - 2014-02-20 21:23:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Tippia wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining.
So you mean it's not like you log in, warp to BM, and go off and do something else?
Also, if ice mining requires more interaction, it's because it pays better and scales better, so it is as it should be.

Quote:
Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive.
It means there's a hell of a lot more effort involved than what you're including…


Ice mining doesn't really pay better, unless you are doing it with a group of players, which includes not only singular interaction, but social interaction, and multiple people interacting with the mining effort. 1 dude mining AFK is not going to make any noteworthy amount of ISK. I suggest you go out and try it sometime.

As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower. Also Effort is not interaction. I have to put effort into organizing Incusrions, as well as actively engage in them, I have to put effort into organizing a mining operation as well as actively engage in the act of mining, I have to put forth effort in the organization of mass mission running, as well as engage in it.

Log in, Click a Button, Log Out, Make Isk (via Valued Product), fund 50K peoples SRP so they don't need to PVE either.