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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-02-20 16:20:59 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

mynnna wrote:
So I need two things explained here.
How do five cherrypicked wars in the past three months explain how a group that's existed in modern form since 2009 is really a Goonswarm front,

It's not 5, it's 8.
It's not in 3 months but in all 2013 and 14.
It's not cherry-picked, every single war were processed. The E-UNI and BNI wars were explicitly mentioned. Just like the 74 dummy wars with barely any kills.


So you admit your case falls apart when you remember that RvB has existed for almost five years now, then.


And I wonder how many of your supposed "dummy" wars were actually just RvB taking POCOs away from people in the past few months Lol

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Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#62 - 2014-02-20 16:21:14 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.
Who is this "best highsec PvP alliance" you speak of?


I think he means marmite. They're the Best pvpers in the same sense that he annointed himself best pvper of all time after suicide ganking all those mining barges last year.

As for data, Gevlon should have really taken the easy step of searching for goonswarm federation on the RvB killboard, he would have seen that we kill each other quite freely. In fact, goon territory is a favorite hunting ground for Mang's ganked roams. You can see all the relevant data here: http://purple.rvbeve.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=35

I understand why he'd ignore 0.0 kills to focus on highsec wars though, never let the facts get in the way of a good story!
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-02-20 16:22:09 UTC
Teh suk....

It grows....

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-02-20 16:26:06 UTC
i was there for the war of the mate

the bonds of mateship are not easily broken
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-02-20 16:28:38 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
. You can see all the relevant data here: http://purple.rvbeve.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=35

"No valid alliance id specified."

Professor Clio wrote:
I understand why he'd ignore 0.0 kills to focus on highsec wars though, never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

1: I didn't "ignore", I just have no data, yet
2: the directors can't control who goes nullsec and does what. But you can control who are war targets. I never claimed that the whole RvB is a bunch of Goon spies. The opposite. They are honest new players and casuals who joined for organized and cheap PvP and instead used as decoy and cannon fodder for Goons against Marmite.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2014-02-20 16:31:26 UTC
eveo breaks those wiggly ampersand things in urls

remove the amp;
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-02-20 16:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

....
marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

Was a fan, for entertainments sake...but now he lost me... -1....

(Marmite) is the best highsec pvp alliance by which measure exactly?

If its coarse-grained statistics like total raw kills you are using (akin to clubbing re!arded children over the head as they stumble out of trade hubs), I would respectfully question your assertion of 'best', while I do have some newfound respect for them at bringing a fight to us recently.

In short, once you inject any form of qualitative measure into such an assertion I would not highlight marmite as 'the best' hisec pvp alliance. Not as bold as to say we are, but there are several hisec pvp alliances that win wars against marmite. You might get away with saying they are the biggest, but not the best.

Its important such assertions are corrected, there may be children watching...

F
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#68 - 2014-02-20 16:35:04 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
. You can see all the relevant data here: http://purple.rvbeve.com/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=35

"No valid alliance id specified."
Genius... Learn to forum. EVE-O forums remove ampersands from query strings, so you have to copy-paste the links.

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Professor Clio wrote:
I understand why he'd ignore 0.0 kills to focus on highsec wars though, never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

1: I didn't "ignore", I just have no data, yet
Oh, lack of data? Yeah, that's not a problem at all. When you have lack of data, just fill the gaps with assumptions... right?

Gevlon Goblin wrote:
2: the directors can't control who goes nullsec and does what. But you can control who are war targets. I never claimed that the whole RvB is a bunch of Goon spies. The opposite. They are honest new players and casuals who joined for organized and cheap PvP and instead used as decoy and cannon fodder for Goons against Marmite.
Just because you guys are dumb enough to think that war deccing a null group is an amazingly clever idea, doesn't mean everyone does. I don't think RvB get their kicks from camping gates and stations for hours on end.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#69 - 2014-02-20 16:41:32 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

....
marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

Was a fan, for entertainments sake...but now he lost me... -1....

(Marmite) is the best highsec pvp alliance by which measure exactly?

If its coarse-grained statistics like total raw kills you are using (akin to clubbing re!arded children over the head as they stumble out of trade hubs), I would respectfully question your assertion of 'best'.

In short, once you inject any form of qualitative measure into such an assertion I would not highlight marmite as 'the best' hisec pvp alliance. Not as bold as to say we are, but there sure as f#ck are several hisec pvp alliances that consistently win wars against marmite. You might get away with saying they are the biggest, but hell-to-the-no on best.

Its important such assertions are corrected, there may be children watching...

F

Silly Feyd!
Didn't you know, raw killboard isk numbers are the ONLY metric (until that no longer serves his purpose). Actual ability has nothing to do with it.

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BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2014-02-20 16:42:15 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Why miss off the wars with blue/red as defender? Don't like those numbers? They do not make the point you wish to make with such child like massaging of numbers?


Where is the breakdown of the RvB damage done & received in the wars you use to say that RvB is a Goon affair?


Why not highlight the wars that blue didnt start with an entity directly but that entity left the target alliance (ally or directly aggressed), or is the lack of differentiation a sign of how little you (and the failed pvpers & so called "Mercs" that make up your supporters in vegemite commune. Although I suppose taking your isk makes them mercs in the loosest reading of the word.) understand about how war mechanics work?


Why claim the numbers do not exist for every pre 2013 war? When they do. I am looking at them right now in game. (The cut off for numbers was Inferno itself - so summer 2012 - when these reports landed) However the kills do show on every war going back further, so maybe learn to count.
I would love to see you go back to 2009, I am interested. Dissect everyone of our 600,000 total kills and make it all about your obsession. Will keep you from killing & eating hookers at least.


And to answer a comment from your blog:

Quote:
But just for you: War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation; 144; 20 is 2013/03/30 - 05/25 Definitely not POCO.


Thats RvB getting their jollies on during Burn Jita. Unlike many of the grr goons/grr nullsec/failed pvper/hubcamping retards that live in highsec, we both aided Goon - so many dumb hicks buy the grr goons line, they make for excellent targets during BJ - and shot them and all their friends who showed up. We've had a good crack during BJ. And hope for bigger & better one during 2014.


For future reference:
Remember, ally periods are 2 weeks, so please refine your numbers and present them using tables and clear formatting. No wonder hicks fall for your schtick, you bamboozle them with a near incomprehensible wall of shite.
Allys can enter a war after 4 hours. Hit those POCOs sooner my good man.
Ever need a competent FC that understands war mechanics, I am available for 5 billion per fight + an FC proteus.



Sorry I can't read anything you post about after reading you talking about editing your kill board to make purples losses not look as bad. It does show why you guys always link your board instead of a neutral one.
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Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#71 - 2014-02-20 16:46:31 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
every single war were processed..


No it isnt. You limited it aggressive wars by your own admission. make up the part of the mind you are using today?

And it's was. Not were. One would hope your education at least covered correct English?

And Danalee, I still love you guys (Would I have asked you guys to let me write about you last week if I didnt?), you just get tarred with the rather large annoyed at stupid brush I use when dealing with stupid.
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#72 - 2014-02-20 16:47:31 UTC
BKM Industries wrote:



Sorry I can't read anything you post about after reading you talking about editing your kill board to make purples losses not look as bad. It does show why you guys always link your board instead of a neutral one.


Proof?
Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2014-02-20 16:48:24 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

These are all POCO wars, and thus are in the Nov-Dec period. RvB has a mutual poco defense pact, one that has benefited us.

So your answer to "you are Goon pets" is "we are Goon allies"? Great.

Louis Robichaud wrote:

I would also like to add that I rejoined Eve after a 3 year break specifically to join RvB. It has far exceeded my expectations. You are doing Eve a disservice with these silly allegations.

Because It does a great service to EVE to recruit newbies who can barely figure out their overview and a few frigates is all their assets and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

.


We teach newbies how to pvp *and* how not to be afraid of losing ships, IE not to be carebears that never fight.

Marmite is *really good * at what they do... But calling them best PvP alliance is ludicrous.

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca

BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-02-20 16:48:41 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
every single war were processed..


No it isnt. You limited it aggressive wars by your own admission. make up the part of the mind you are using today?

And it's was. Not were. One would hope your education at least covered correct English?

And Danalee, I still love you guys (Would I have asked you guys to let me write about you last week if I didnt?), you just get tarred with the rather large annoyed at stupid brush I use when dealing with stupid.


Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#75 - 2014-02-20 16:50:31 UTC
BKM Industries wrote:
Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.
*Waah Waah* I'm not reading your posts but still feel like I need to post because I'm not getting enough attention pay attention to me pay attention TO ME PAY ATTENTION TO ME! *fingers in the ears* LALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!

Seriously guy... Seriously.

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Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#76 - 2014-02-20 16:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Clio
BKM Industries wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
every single war were processed..


No it isnt. You limited it aggressive wars by your own admission. make up the part of the mind you are using today?

And it's was. Not were. One would hope your education at least covered correct English?

And Danalee, I still love you guys (Would I have asked you guys to let me write about you last week if I didnt?), you just get tarred with the rather large annoyed at stupid brush I use when dealing with stupid.


Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.


ERM... Our killboards match your own... Unless your 60% efficiency against us since 2012 is you fixing your own killboards to make us look good :D
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#77 - 2014-02-20 16:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mangala Solaris
BKM Industries wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
every single war were processed..


No it isnt. You limited it aggressive wars by your own admission. make up the part of the mind you are using today?

And it's was. Not were. One would hope your education at least covered correct English?

And Danalee, I still love you guys (Would I have asked you guys to let me write about you last week if I didnt?), you just get tarred with the rather large annoyed at stupid brush I use when dealing with stupid.


Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.


You understand that I dont have the patience to edit every value of every item yes?

Also we only edit when a price is showing as wrong - invariably lower than it is ingame (EDK uses as site that sometimes doesnt quite update right). We like the isk value to be as true as possible, and hey because I dont have patience it isnt ever possible!

But hey you still didnt actually link the proof, mostly as you're being all "lalalalalalala" fingers in ears.
BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-02-20 16:53:44 UTC
Louis Robichaud wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Louis Robichaud wrote:

These are all POCO wars, and thus are in the Nov-Dec period. RvB has a mutual poco defense pact, one that has benefited us.

So your answer to "you are Goon pets" is "we are Goon allies"? Great.

Louis Robichaud wrote:

I would also like to add that I rejoined Eve after a 3 year break specifically to join RvB. It has far exceeded my expectations. You are doing Eve a disservice with these silly allegations.

Because It does a great service to EVE to recruit newbies who can barely figure out their overview and a few frigates is all their assets and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.

.


We teach newbies how to pvp *and* how not to be afraid of losing ships, IE not to be carebears that never fight.

Marmite is *really good * at what they do... But calling them best PvP alliance is ludicrous.



So when we brought a 10 man BS death fleet to your guys home system and it took almost an hour for you guys to muster 40+ and the FC kept saying on coms he will not fight till you guys had 40+ with 20+ BS's and logi that teaches people how to not be afraid?

How does a FC who is afraid to lose a fight cry's on coms for overwhelming numbers teach people to not be afraid?
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BKM Industries
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-02-20 16:55:54 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
BKM Industries wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
every single war were processed..


No it isnt. You limited it aggressive wars by your own admission. make up the part of the mind you are using today?

And it's was. Not were. One would hope your education at least covered correct English?

And Danalee, I still love you guys (Would I have asked you guys to let me write about you last week if I didnt?), you just get tarred with the rather large annoyed at stupid brush I use when dealing with stupid.


Still did not read it but hey you should go change some prices on purples kill board so you guys look better. Last time you did not do a good enough job.


ERM... Our killboards match your own... Unless your 60% efficiency against us since 2012 is you fixing your own killboards to make us look good :D



Mangala Solaris : (26 January 2014 - 07:15 PM) Im repricing on our kbs so may fix it may not be honestly idgaf


Kinna funny to do this right after everyone was bitching and moaning about the 3b pod and other losses.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2014-02-20 16:58:07 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

2: the directors can't control who goes nullsec and does what. But you can control who are war targets. I never claimed that the whole RvB is a bunch of Goon spies. The opposite. They are honest new players and casuals who joined for organized and cheap PvP and instead used as decoy and cannon fodder for Goons against Marmite.

they can when they're leading the fleets into nullsec you pubbie

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.