Crime & Punishment

im so glad gevlon decided to branch out to attempting propaganda

its just so amazing

This thread has potential.

Best post of 2014. I'm calling it now.

Everyone else, get out. Take the rest of the year off. We're done.

Why miss off the wars with blue/red as defender? Don't like those numbers? They do not make the point you wish to make with such child like massaging of numbers?


Where is the breakdown of the RvB damage done & received in the wars you use to say that RvB is a Goon affair?


Why not highlight the wars that blue didnt start with an entity directly but that entity left the target alliance (ally or directly aggressed), or is the lack of differentiation a sign of how little you {redacted} understand about how war mechanics work?


Why claim the numbers do not exist for every pre 2013 war? When they do. I am looking at them right now in game. (The cut off for numbers was Inferno itself - so summer 2012 - when these reports landed) However the kills do show on every war going back further, so maybe learn to count.
I would love to see you go back to 2009, I am interested. Dissect everyone of our 600,000 total kills and make it all about your obsession. Will keep you from killing & eating hookers at least.


And to answer a comment from your blog:



Thats RvB getting their jollies on during Burn Jita. Unlike many of the grr goons/grr nullsec/failed pvper/hubcamping retards that live in highsec, we both aided Goon - so many dumb hicks buy the grr goons line, they make for excellent targets during BJ - and shot them and all their friends who showed up. We've had a good crack during BJ. And hope for bigger & better one during 2014.


For future reference:
Remember, ally periods are 2 weeks, so please refine your numbers and present them using tables and clear formatting. No wonder hicks fall for your schtick, you bamboozle them with a near incomprehensible wall of shite.
Allys can enter a war after 4 hours. Hit those POCOs sooner my good man.
Ever need a competent FC that understands war mechanics, I am available for 5 billion per fight + an FC proteus.

Because those wars are not your decision. You are accountable for your own actions, not actions done to you.

But please, dear Goon pet, show me ONE war, where RvB choose to engage a CFC entity.


The 2013 killboard is being downloaded as we chat here. So somewhere next week everyone can see what alliances you targeted. But something tells me, you already know what will I find, right?

You are scamming genuine newbies to be cannonfodder to Marmite collective to get some time for your masters. Seriously dude, The Mittani is the symbol of honor and decency next to you.

(this is a repost with some edits)

Onward to the rebuttal. You've done a good job parsing most of those wars and boiling them down to see what they are and which one are "interesting". Unfortunately, that is where you stumbled. As I said previously, I'm not just going to say you are wrong, I'm going to demonstrate why.

War: D A R K Homeworld vs. Goonswarm Federation; 9.9; 4
War: TinkerTown Terrorists vs. Goonswarm Federation;2.5;2.8
War: D A R K Homeworld vs. Goonswarm Federation;9.8;3.4

These are all POCO wars, and thus are in the Nov-Dec period. RvB has a mutual poco defense pact, one that has benefited us.

War: The Marmite Collective vs. Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance; 13.1; 2

A bit of research would have told you what Blohm and Voss was. It's not me to tell whom these folks are, but your conclusion is wrong. Of course you are correct that Blohm and Voss is in nullsec with the Goons' permission, but you completely misunderstood why RvB joined that war.

War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation; 144; 20

This is the one I really would like to see the date. Edit: thanks Mang! Now I know what this is, we took part in burn Jita, big deal.

So what do we have here? All very recent action, all of it either POCO war (due to our mutual POCO defence pact) or wars of a defensive nature. This isn't "always"!.

Yet, based on these recent conflicts, you have determined that RvB, an organization that started in 2009, *was created as a goon high sec arm*!?!?

The goons HAVE a high sec arm - it's called Miniluv. Another less known arm is - gasp - the new order, a group you supported a while ago did you not?

These dark conspiracies are built on flim flam. You reach logical conclusions based on flawed premises - ergo not sound at all

I would also like to add that I rejoined Eve after a 3 year break specifically to join RvB. It has far exceeded my expectations. You are doing Eve a disservice with these silly allegations.

So I need two things explained here.

• How do five cherrypicked wars in the past three months explain how a group that's existed in modern form since 2009 is really a Goonswarm front, and
• Why, if the actions of marmite, lemmings, and other highsec wardec corps against our random idiots wandering highsec are as damaging as Gevlon (and indeed the killers themselves) like to claim they are, we haven't protected ourselves for the past three years by having RvB permadec them.

I posted this to Gevlon's blog but he didn't let it through, clearly proving that it blows a big hole in his premise. Too bad he was so proud of himself that he came to blow his own horn in a place where he doesn't control the comments.

So your answer to "you are Goon pets" is "we are Goon allies"? Great.


Because It does a great service to EVE to recruit newbies who can barely figure out their overview and a few frigates is all their assets and marching them against the best highsec PvP alliance in the game.


It's not 5, it's 8.
It's not in 3 months but in all 2013 and 14.
It's not cherry-picked, every single war were processed. The E-UNI and BNI wars were explicitly mentioned. Just like the 74 dummy wars with barely any kills.

Who is this "best highsec PvP alliance" you speak of?