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being realistic is nice every once in a while
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#21 - 2014-02-19 16:28:16 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
So where's the risk? You want instant blueprint transfer from one end of the galaxy to the other, how can I stop you from doing this?


I'm sorry but that above is pretty much my thinking as well. There has to be someway to make BP's and transportation of them a risk = reward venture. Instant transfer negates that.

If you see how many things die with BP's in their cargoholds it generates the economy.

Say you lost a BP in the back of your Mammoth that was ME 50 PE 100.
You look on contracts and find one at ME 40 PE 80 but it now costs twice what you originally paid.
You pay the price anyway cos you need it (ISK spent) and an industrialist trader somewhere takes that ISKX,XXX,XXX.XX and puts it into another venture.
You take your BP in the back of your Leopard and speed away home...

That's the kind of interactions physical objects cause to happen and EvE is all about cause and consequence in addition to the butterfly effect.

TL;DR: No to digital BP's

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Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#22 - 2014-02-19 20:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jta Grl
Why can't see orders from different regions? It's only data.

EDIT: I'm serious, this is not sarcasm. If CCP removes blueprint items I want to be able to see other regions markets too.
xiline anahata
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-02-20 09:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: xiline anahata
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A blueprint is an item in the Eve universe that has a value. (a massive one in some cases)

Transporting a high value item across the galaxy, should not be able to be performed instantly or risk free.


rofl.

NO TROLLING HERE BUT: if i know your starbase password, that is EXTREMELY VALUABLE INTEL.
and if i communicate it via private convo half-way across the galaxy, then -whoever- can bridge up and OWN you within minutes.

bring me all your counter arguements and i'll slam the insta chat feature and this every single time.

get real. you can download consciousness from a clone to another and can't a blueprint ?
no srsly. COUNSCIOUSNESS. ponder that.

it's just normal for some to reply as if they were replying to the 1st post in this thread, afterall TL/DR is a common issue nowadays, but it's allright, i'll keep tell in you that it's absurd.

But hey, by all means, if you'd rather use the post office instead of email BE MY GUEST. just don't wave a flag and demand everybody else to do it too.
xiline anahata
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-02-20 09:49:06 UTC
Jta Grl wrote:
Why can't see orders from different regions? It's only data.

EDIT: I'm serious, this is not sarcasm. If CCP removes blueprint items I want to be able to see other regions markets too.


since market data leaks to outside hubs such as eve-central i really don't see why.
but it's possible they try to prevent tradebots this way.

anyway i agree with you, yes it's data, you should be able to see everything you have access to (say by standings/personal or corporate etc) - whatever -
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#25 - 2014-02-20 10:25:40 UTC
Just say no to instantaneous, risk-free transport of multi-billion-ISK blueprints.
Lady Areola Fappington
#26 - 2014-02-20 11:21:14 UTC
I'll throw out a lore reason, as for why blueprints can't be sent via the EVE communication network.

It's just too much data. Building something as complex as a spaceship from the starting point of "piles of minerals" is going to take a ton of instructional know-how.

It may just be more efficient/cost effective to transport a physical copy of the data, than attempt to transmit it across interstellar distances. Even RL, the fastest way to transport bulk data is to load it up on a truck and drive it.

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Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#27 - 2014-02-20 12:27:59 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I'll throw out a lore reason, as for why blueprints can't be sent via the EVE communication network.

It's just too much data. Building something as complex as a spaceship from the starting point of "piles of minerals" is going to take a ton of instructional know-how.

It may just be more efficient/cost effective to transport a physical copy of the data, than attempt to transmit it across interstellar distances. Even RL, the fastest way to transport bulk data is to load it up on a truck and drive it.


But then we are talking about a universe where it is possible to tranfer a clone's cosncience from a pod to a station medical facility. That's a lof of data too, isn't it?
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#28 - 2014-02-20 13:47:53 UTC
In theory, you are updating your clone every time you dock, and over time at regular intervals. The death scan is just to update a reletively small amount of data. This is why you have to be at a clone facility to install one in the first place.

Of course part of this is because the fast scanning process is itself lethal.
xiline anahata
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-02-21 09:35:34 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I'll throw out a lore reason, as for why blueprints can't be sent via the EVE communication network.

It's just too much data. Building something as complex as a spaceship from the starting point of "piles of minerals" is going to take a ton of instructional know-how.

It may just be more efficient/cost effective to transport a physical copy of the data, than attempt to transmit it across interstellar distances. Even RL, the fastest way to transport bulk data is to load it up on a truck and drive it.


thank you. now read this : consciouness download in backup clone.
tl/dr ?
xiline anahata
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-02-21 09:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: xiline anahata
Mike Voidstar wrote:
In theory, you are updating your clone every time you dock, and over time at regular intervals. The death scan is just to update a reletively small amount of data. This is why you have to be at a clone facility to install one in the first place.

Of course part of this is because the fast scanning process is itself lethal.


yes.
because if you have 100 mil sp and a 900.000 backup clone, the moment you hit the "upgrade clone" button you're instakilled.
yes, you can get that many sp without docking.

... please
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#31 - 2014-02-21 11:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jta Grl
Mike Voidstar wrote:
In theory, you are updating your clone every time you dock, and over time at regular intervals. The death scan is just to update a reletively small amount of data. This is why you have to be at a clone facility to install one in the first place.

Of course part of this is because the fast scanning process is itself lethal.

I don't think there is a "fast scan". But yeah, I can get the clone updating at regular intervals. I think though that being the pod a controlled environment maybe it can have a "log" of all information outputed to the capsuleers inside it. Sort of like a black box. So when a capsuleer is podded all the info from the black box is tranmitted to his clone and introduced to it through some sort of time-compressed simulation. Brains do not store information in a linear fashion like hard drives. You can't get just a part of it and send to another clone, this is kind of a Frankenstein pov.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#32 - 2014-02-21 11:52:08 UTC
But back to the subject, blueprint mechanics is indeed a little ****** up on the realism side. Take research for example:
You have a Brutix BPO you want to improve. You take it to a lab where scientists analyze it so they can figure out how the ship can be built using less materials, or in less time. After some research they give back to you an improved BPO. GREAT! But now you have another Brutix BPO you want to improve so you can sell it for some profit. You take it to the exact same lab, where the exact same scientists will work on it. Why the hell would they have to do the exact same research again? Did they get their brains washed out after doing the first research? Shouldn't their knowledge of the first BPO research result in ANY Brutix BPO they take from ANY capsuleer to get improved instantaneously?
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