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What is the deal with Skyrim and rabid fanboys?

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Rabid cat
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-26 00:19:37 UTC
Any attempt to critique or point out any flaws in Skyrim will be met with rage and accusations of trolling. It's like shouting 'god is not great' in Mecca?! Why does Skyrim, of all games, get this super-rabid(tm) treatment and veritable hordes of fanboys going all white knight - even normally temperate players start frothing at the mouth when the discussion turns to flaws of the Skyrim?!

Can someone provide any insight into this vexing matter?
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#2 - 2011-11-26 00:48:23 UTC
Cognitive dissonance.

Basically, people are biased to think of their choices (in this case hype induced) as correct, despite any contrary evidence. While understandabe - after all, no one likes to err - instead of accepting the truth those people continue to tell themselves that they are right all along.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
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#3 - 2011-11-26 01:11:40 UTC
I Wonder how many of these fans that rage about criticism are new to Elder Scrolls games, most of the longer term fans are aware of the shortcomings (most have been there since around since Morrowind and some longer than that) and accept them because no other game really provides the same open world experience.
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-26 01:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Cognitive dissonance.

Basically, people are biased to think of their choices (in this case hype induced) as correct, despite any contrary evidence. While understandabe - after all, no one likes to err - instead of accepting the truth those people continue to tell themselves that they are right all along.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance


That's not what Cognitive dissonance means (as the first sentence in your linked wiki entry will explain to you)

Cognitive dissonance is holding two conflicting ideas to be true.

What you're thinking of is willful ignorance, which is when you believe yourself to be right "just because" even though there may be a litany of evidence against your conclusion.

However the topic at hand is none of the above in most cases. Everything regarding whether a game is 'good', if the elements and story and etc and mechanics are 'good'? This is opinion and as they saying goes: There is no accounting for taste.
Wilhelm Riley
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-26 02:21:10 UTC
This isn't just Skyrim you know, everything else triggers this too.. watch this.

XBOX SUXZORZ!

Now we wait..
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-11-26 02:32:14 UTC
Much of the criticism I've seen can be chalked up to differing opinions about what makes a game "good" and how one derives enjoyment from the game.

The few legitimate criticisms that there are reguarding bugs, menu functionality, crashes, etc. I agree with entirely. Those negatives however do not spoil my enjoyment of the game. It's more the little things that while I don't mind now, I can't wait for mods to fix. Vanilla Skyrim however is far better than vanilla Oblivion.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-26 03:19:25 UTC
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
This isn't just Skyrim you know, everything else triggers this too.. watch this.

XBOX SUXZORZ!

Now we wait..



WHAT!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?



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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-11-26 04:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: VKhaun Vex
Because it's a fantastic game...

Do you think great games do not exist or are somehow impossible?

I'm all for bringing fanbois down to earth, but when I log on to STEAM and my ENTIRE LIST OF FRIENDS is playing Skyrim and orgasming that's not hype anymore lol. It's like asking what the hype is over pizza or sex. When that many people like it, it's simply a good thing.

I don't like Call of Duty, and I think it has terrible design concepts in it... but I'm not going to go calling millions of people 'fanbois' because they like it and enjoy the game as it is. I'm obviously the odd man out and I keep my opinions personal.

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Selinate
#9 - 2011-11-26 07:23:05 UTC
Skyrim is an awesome game. There is no other game like it.

Of course there are bugs, of course there's crappy voice acting, of course there's the immersion breaking crappy path-finding. Even in spite of all this, they seemed to do a lot better with the bugs, immersion breaking path-finding, and they did WONDERS with the combat system over Oblivion. It is the ULTIMATE high fantasy sandbox. Not your game? Then don't play it. That doesn't make it not a stellar game though.

The only game that I can't understand why so many people like is Halo, and that's just because there's so many different games exactly like it, that do FPS better in my opinion. Doesn't mean I refuse to play Halo with my friends if they want to play it, though :P
Selinate
#10 - 2011-11-26 07:23:34 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
This isn't just Skyrim you know, everything else triggers this too.. watch this.

XBOX SUXZORZ!

Now we wait..



WHAT!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?



WHREEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Dude, quit raging and admit PS3 > 360 already Lol
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-11-26 08:03:08 UTC
I've heard three basic types of critiques about skyrim. Many of them are legitimate. but large portion of them are just personal preferance or things I simply can't agree with.

First is the actual bugs, crappy UI and other actual small issues. I'd consider all of them legitimate gripes, but bugs get fixed and initial UI mods are already available, so while I agree on them I don't care about them. The bugs and other issues aren't severe enough to ruin your enjoyment of the game or are barely even noticeable and the UI issues have workarounds. If this is your problem, I can understand but it's a minor/non-issue for me.

Second is the personal preference critique. For example some people crap on skyrim because it's not like mass effect or similar RPG with a tight plot. They aren't wrong, but thats like saying EVE sucks because it's not like WoW. It's true that the games are different, but thats the point. You aren't exposing a overhyped bad game. You're just exposing your personal preference in gaming.

Third is the things that I don't even see in the game. Things like being unable to assign weapons and spells to quick slots. I'm not exactly denying people don't actually experience such things, but they don't exist in my skyrim, so all I can say is that I don't know what they are talking about. Either their game is broken or they are hopelesly bad at it.

The thing is that even with the issues the game has it's an awesome game with no equals in it's category of sandboxy RPG goodnes. I can see why some people personally don't like it and it certainly has it's rough edges, but I call bullshit on anyone who tries to claim that it's objectively a bad game.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-11-26 08:25:21 UTC
I think the moment I became a fanboi was when I walked up to an NPC and she wanted me to go into a cave I'd already crushed just because I was wandering by and I'm an angry bastard like that... and it actually gave me a dialog option where I said hey... I've already killed that guy, and she rewarded me straight away.

I remember typing out on this forum how on Deus Ex HR I destroyed a whole complex full of soldiers only to find I still had to walk around and do story triggers for a distraction and daring escape, and sit through a cut scene where tons of guards were still alive. That kind of thing happened over and over in DE:HR, and many other 'open' or 'non linear' RPG's have sent me back to places I'd cleared to meet up with their story line. NOW we'll spawn that boss... NOW you can open that door... NOW the princess is there... Dead Island was completely unplayable for me because I kept finding things that were obvious interact points, but wasn't allowed to open certain doors, flip switches, etc unless I figured out how to trigger the quest first.

Skyrim does have a few places reserved, but having to repeat a dungeon crawl or not getting credit for one is extremely rare... so far it's only happened once as part of an event where a whole town came with me to clear a cave and that made a boss spawn plus the guards respawn. The vast majority of random caves can be completely explored and extra rewards gained later if/when you meet the NPC that cares about it. Same with items. Any uniques will be there and will trigger their own quests on pick up.

When they can't be done without a quest the dungeon will flat out tell you 'no' when you walk in by asking for a key/item/password instead of wasting your time, or the reserved portion will be entirely separate and you can still accomplish something else significant by going in like Blackreach being linked to three or four other dungeons but only accessible once you have the dwemer sphere thingie. You can still clear and complete the stories for all of the connected dungeons, just not go down into that one.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-26 09:40:35 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
This isn't just Skyrim you know, everything else triggers this too.. watch this.

XBOX SUXZORZ!

Now we wait..



WHAT!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?



WHREEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Dude, quit raging and admit PS3 > 360 already Lol



dude, PS2 > all.

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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#14 - 2011-11-26 09:41:21 UTC
Skyrim is a good game, yes it has some flaws but overall it is quite enjoyable.

On the other hand there is a little pirate kiddie who pirated a game, so he can write an internet review on the forum of another software developer.

Sorry, but fanboys are not the problem, but people with an opinion but without a clue are.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Selinate
#15 - 2011-11-26 15:19:26 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:


Third is the things that I don't even see in the game. Things like being unable to assign weapons and spells to quick slots. I'm not exactly denying people don't actually experience such things, but they don't exist in my skyrim, so all I can say is that I don't know what they are talking about. Either their game is broken or they are hopelesly bad at it.



It did actually take me about 2 hours of play or so before I finally realized there was that damned "favorites" function....
SpaceSquirrels
#16 - 2011-11-26 18:45:31 UTC
Speak ill and I might just have to cut you in the face... With an object to later be determined.

Whatever happen to the view of... It's just not for me? It might not be bad just not your cup of tea. That or people like myself just think the good out ways the bad.
Rabid cat
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-26 18:56:23 UTC
But? Come on I am not saying its bad game and I am quite enjoying it!
Skorpynekomimi
#18 - 2011-11-27 17:53:23 UTC
Because it's a damn awesome game. I can just wander around, killing people stupid enough to attack me, looting old ruins, and selling anything I happen to pick up to the next merchant. It's so immersive, the landscape's so pretty, and there's the little lingering paranoia that there's a dragon after me.

Yes, the voice acting is hokey, they're short on actual varied actors, it's full of bugs, and my character is incapable of walking up slopes I'd have no trouble with, but I'm willing to forgive that just for the sheer epic nature of it.

That, and it saved me from mind-numbing boredom over the last month while I was off work sick with tonsillitis.

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Sarz'na Khumatari
#19 - 2011-11-27 21:44:09 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
This isn't just Skyrim you know, everything else triggers this too.. watch this.

XBOX SUXZORZ!

Now we wait..



WHAT!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?



WHREEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Dude, quit raging and admit PS3 > 360 already Lol


So true...

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Liam Mirren
#20 - 2011-11-27 23:12:38 UTC
Being unable to have rational, unbiased thoughts is sadly par for the course for humanity, gamers are no different.

There's many issues i have with Skyrim, clunky UI is probably the most important one and it's not so much that it has bugs, it's more that Bethesda obviously couldn't be bothered to give the PC version a bit more attention. That also results in performance/rendering decisions; solutions necessary to make it work on consoles means that it's below par on PCs which is a shame.

Apart from that it's missing some storyline options, you can't be a good guy in Riften for instance, taking out the thieves guild and that lack of option is sticking out like a sore thumb. Thing like that annoy me a little bit but that's all washed away by the overall awesomeness of the game.

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