Intergalactic Summit

Though I can't speak his mind for him, I do believe that what Tuulinen-haan is saying is that the Federation actually has an excellent chance to end the fighting for a comparatively small cost. Relocating those that have no wish to become citizens of the State may cause some unrest, but what would ultimately be gained, a lasting peace, would be worth it. Arguments about removing these people from their "homeland" really are redundant at this point... As much as I'd rather not lean on it, the fact of the matter is, their forefathers have only the most shallow of roots there compared to an entire civilization and culture that was much more forcibly driven out in the name of the Federation.

Yes, it was a long time ago. Yes, I would be just as happy to shake hands and be done with it. But in the matter of ties to Caldari Prime, the simple end of the debate is; we were there first, and for far longer.

In the end, it would be a simple affair to broker a lasting deal, compared to allowing the controversy to continue fueling bloodshed on both sides. Personally, I don't mind the idea at all that Home is dead center in the Federation, as it means it will be well protected by default. The real sticking point is the comparison of the rights of descendants of invaders from two centuries ago, to those of two races with thousands of years of history and heritage from the world of their birth. A little recognition of that would go a long way towards an understanding, even reasonable co-habitation under the current status quo.

In closing, Miss Sythaeryn, I wish to extend a degree of appreciation for the open mindedness you've demonstrated, and to convey that my views here are not specific to only your question, but rather expressed more broadly on the matter at hand, in the confidence that you will consider and respond sensibly, unlike others I've 'debated' with in the recent past.

You are correct, empirical is entirely the wrong word. It amuses me how switching the placement of a single "i" and an "e" completely changes the meaning of a statement. Anyways, that error has been corrected.



I don't disagree with this. The idea of ownership is useful in some instances. However, I believe in this situation it does nothing but sully the situation. There is little reason why both peoples cannot inhabit the same planet, as they do already. Some may be uncomfortable with the idea of sharing space with someone who has such a cultural stigma around them, but there's no reason this can't be overcome.

-Eran

It is the only option for peace. I don't aim to predict the future in any way, but I can tell you that removing one or the other from the planet isn't going to solve the problem.

Further, simply because something is unlikely to happen does not make it impossible, nor something not worth striving for.

-Eran

Ms. Gesakaarin,

I never stated that "someonone cannot lay claim or try to restrict access to" anything. I said they don't have the right to do so, yet it is inevitable people will lay claim despite that, and this happens all the time. You are correct when you say that this is often done through violence, though it is incorrect to say this only occurs through violence. There are other human emotions besides fear which can drive people. I may give someone the coat off my back because I empathize with them, not because I fear them. That is just a small example.

It is unfortunate that you see no driving force beyond violence. I assure you it is there, however.

Also, as a side-note, I do not believe people hold inherent rights to property. I acknowledge my statements do not illustrate my thoughts perfectly and I suppose that I didn't make that clear. Perhaps if I have the time and desire to, I will attempt to write a short essay on the topic separate from this thread.

-Eran

Actually, that would have that very affect.

But it can mean that the likelihood is so small, other options need to be pursued in the meantime.

Freedom and absence of slavery are completely different concepts, Ms. Sythaeryn.

Freedom itself, in its maximum, is a total permissiveness and chaos. It is anarchy and criminality, it is a concept for a society of egocentric hedonistic individuals, who live only to pleasure themselves, ignoring interests and well-being of others and society as a whole.

While absence of a slavery is a condition of society, where slavery is either prohibited, impossible, or simply doesn't exist by one reason or another.

Besides, this "government which hold tenants to personal freedom" are ruthless occupants and war criminals, who should be put under tribunal for all their crimes against our nation. For them, it is only their "freedom" matters: when we made our colonies and established our management systems, they decided that we can't do it as we want, and we must follow their version of freedom.

Nope. We didn't. And we won't.

Caldari people will decide how to organize our society without stupid gallentean filth.


Unless you would like to defend your criminal government, or spew gallentean hedonism, freedom, democracy and other filth in propaganda, you will be fine.

We aren't murderers and we don't shoot those, who mean us no harm.

If you like your filthy freedom and democracy - enjoy it on your worlds as much as you want. We don't care if you rot alive in hedonism and democracies. But if you try to bring it to our doors - prepare your nose to be smashed by our boots.

They are OCCUPANTS.
And they must be dealt with accordingly, by means of applying excessive force and firepower.
Without mercy and regret.

Even without payment I am always glad to help to "evacuate" gallentean occupants from Caldari worlds.
In body bags.

Well if there are other viable options then I am all for their pursuit. I don't see compensation addressing the core problem as I explained, however I don't particularly care if I'm right or wrong, just that it gets resolved.

And thank you Diana for contributing nothing useful, as always.

-Eran