Alliance & Corporation Recruitment Center

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If i post this question anywhere else, the wrong people will see/reply. Hope i am still within the forum rules here, as i have a direct question to recruiters.

My question is to all recruiters asking for the Full API key for verification.
What do you do with it?
Please, walk me through your process of evaluating the information of my Full API key.

tl;dr:
Bottom line is: the Full API reveals too much information and makes me feel naked and exposed . At the same time, it does not prevent the recruiter from the things that they want to be protected from using this API. It does not protect against a dedicated spy/awox. I understand it is a deterrent against a "casual" corp thief. But for that purpose, a limited key should suffice.

I understand it's for security. When i recruited into my corp, i also asked for the API key, but that was only to check other characters on the account, to make sure i was getting the "main", not some low(er)-SP alt of an enemy alliance. Obviously, i only needed a limited key.

So what do you check for, having the full key?

- Characters, Skills, Queue
Yeah, no problems there

- Wallet and Market (and Contracts)
Premise: I guess the idea here is to make sure the character is not funded by some known enemy through player donation.
Reality: If i really wanted to fund a spy/awox alt, i could direct trade in-station without any trace.
Concerns: I don't mind as much about the corp knowing how much ISK i have, or what my sources of income are (this one is a little iffy), but if i have a Jita trade alt, then those trades are, well, trade secrets. I would not want to reveal that.

- Asset list
Premise: ??? Don't understand at all why you would need this info
Reality: Again, for a dedicated spy/awox, hiding the assets is a very easy thing to do
Concerns: When i go to work, i give the employer my bank details, my SIN number, but i don't give him the itinerary listing of everything in my house. This is just too much. On the flipside, what if i have some rare ship in my possession? By providing this info to a recruiter whom i don't even know, i am putting myself at risk.

- Science and industry
Premise: ??? Why?
Reality: Same as above, easily hidden
Concerns: Same as above, what if my alt is building capitals or something on a side as a business. If i am joining a casual small PVP group for fun, doesn't mean i need nor should share my industrial business with them.

- Evemails and Contacts
Premise: By reading through years of old communications, you can deduce the character's real affiliations
Reality: Really? Someone will read through years of my old emails? But the biggest issue here is that incriminating emails/standings can be outright deleted with no trace
Concerns: Sometimes i share private "business" information between my characters through evemails, sometimes there are simply private conversations, for example with my business clients. There is also the issue that while i may be "voluntarily" providing a private conversation to a recruiter, the other party in this private conversation neither consented, nor is aware of this.

Thanks

I guess the short answer here would be: " TRUST ". As we all know, EvE is a game that not only allows corruption, sabotage, and betrayal.. it encourages it. For me, the more you expose your information , the more i believe you have nothing to hide. If you're to earn the trust of your corporation, you'll sometimes have to leave yourself feeling "naked and exposed" , as you put it.

I agree with your reality comments regarding being able to hide certain info, but a lot of players in EvE are not: 1- smart enough to hide it, 2- dedicated enough to hide it or, 3- just too damn lazy to try. So if a corporation can help weed out the dedicated applicants from the bull$h^t ones, right off the bat.. they've just protected their assets that much more.

In regards to the emails.. ya i doubt they will all be read, but i guarantee the contacts list will be skimmed over, and if any one of them raises a red-flag.. that email will be read.

Try not to get too offended when someone asks for a full API on application. Most corporations have tried very hard to be successful and don't want to lose that because they weren't paranoid enough. Also some large corps employ hundreds of people, so you can imagine how easy it might be to let just one saboteur infiltrate the ranks.

My advice..? Strike up a convo with a recruiter and chat about how u feel regarding the API. You'd be surprised how many just post that to deter the would-be spies, and might just let you join with a few questions answered.

GL

-Kai

The average player generates between 1M and 1.2M SP per month. Most notable corporations have an SP floor. Even if this floor is only 5M SP it means that a character would have to remain clean and clear of negative contacts/transactions/interactions for about five months and invest $75.00 - $99.95 or around 3,250,000,000 ISK. Trading in station does show up on the journal. The only transactions that are not logged are those done in space by jetcan or ejection from a ship. Even those can be viewed if not traced to source because the pilot suddenly has a brand new ship and no history of them purchasing or making it.

A clever and truly patient spy master can get through any security screen. A full API screen done by someone that knows their **** will stop most people that have foul intentions. Contacts are the life blood of EVE. You can not have fun in this game without making contacts, trading, and interacting with other players. In doing so you build a history and it is your history that a CEO or director looks at to determine two things: What level of risk you pose to the corporation and the other members of the corporation should you be accepted and also what you can contribute to the organization based on your history.

Red contacts are not really a big deal, everyone uses poor standings contracts to keep an eye out for things like wardeccers before a war starts, suspected enemy out of corp alts, people who gank your cynos, or just someone you want to keep tabs who is not an ally.

It's the blue standings that are of more interest. It can be a good idea to clear the ones you don't need out on a regular basis, if for no other reason that an overview with only neutral/bad standings targets won't show them, when they might be perfectly fine in shooting you.

Feel free to give a recruiter your full api. If recruited, or rejected feel free to delete your full api. Can always create a new one on demand.