Wormholes

ok let me try to explain this again...

you goal is to get more people into WH space right? ok fine, that's a good goal.
so lets look at where the average newbro player goes when they start off in WHs.
do they go to C6s? C5s? no. the average entry point for new players to WHs are C2s.
this can easily be varified by the number of people that are always looking for C2s, the fact that C2 space sees the most POS kills of ANY wh class and that C2s are all populated except for a handful of C5/6 and NS static ones.

you also say you want the low class groups to move up to high class space. ok, fine, nothing inherently wrong with that either.
so what is stopping people from doing just that? is it that all C5 and C6 holes are populated? is it that is costs more? is it that theyre too hard?
no it isnt. C6s and C5s are mostly empty and finding whatever high end WH you want (with the exception of C2 statics, again theyre the most popular) takes little more than a weekend of scanning.
hell, if you want a C6, Ragarok will even hook you up for free!
so why don't they move? well, simply because they dont want to. theyre perfectly happy in low class WH space and dont care enough about isk to make the move.

so in light of these two facts, that C2s are the most popular WH class and that high end space is mostly empty with little draw for a lot of low class groups, how do you suggest we get more people into WH space?
do you suggest that we add more C2 space or add content to higher end WHs that is attractive for new players and existing low end groups?
no. you go and suggest we add more high end space which is only available for high end living groups....

please, just do the maths. C5, C6, C7, C8 whatever. fact is high end WH space is a LOT less populated than low end WH space and there are reasons for that. and you want to add MORE high end space? it just makes no sense at all to anyone who looks at WH space as a whole, not just their little corner of it.

PS: the reason I usually dont spend the time to describe in this kind of detail why youre wrong is because Id have to do it every other day and you dont listen anyway.

Firstly, if CCP decided to add a C7 class that held new content, depending on how good that content was, a lot of people would want to experience it and a lot of competition would spring up between the corporations/alliances because of it..

I'm sure there are some people out there that are thinking of leaving wormhole space and C7 wormhole might make them stay, it might make ex-wormhole corporations return and it would definetly entice new players to try WH space out (depending on what the content was). One thing that I don't see C7 wormholes doing, is making people leave wormhole space.

Secondly, I like your idea of new wormhole connections and I think that could be a good feature of a C7. In addition to some of the ideas others have suggested, the C7 systems could have 7 statics - c1, c2, c3, c4, c5, c6 and Jove (or the new space CCP is adding). I think that would do wonders for wormhole space as a hole and ensures that when CCP introduce their planed new space, wormholes will be a part of it.

If this new content helped increase the population is WH space, we would have more voices to scream for a pos revamp but right now, CCP probably consider it good enough for the time being.

^ Did you even read the original post? Your saying capital sleepers, roaming sleepers and new tech should be added to black hole systems? ... Sure, I would go for that!

Seriously guys, if you don't like an idea someone post, say why and then go away. The truly bad ideas don't need your help to stay out of the game. All that happens is the thread gets derailed because of egos and people arguing their own agenda.

I totally forgot about that part hahaha! Just say no to capital sleepers! For serious though, my main point is you have a platform to add new content in wormholes where there is currently none. Use that.




There is nothing wrong with a discussion/debate when it comes to new ideas and suggestions. While there may be some egos here, I find it fair to say that all the people that have posted thus far truly care about wormholes space, even if it some focus on a small slice of it.

Guess it's the time of night where I point out I havnt lived in a C2 since 2009 *shrug*.
I now live in a C5>C5 and killed me a Legion in a C5 just last night, fun times were had, his 2 friends in their Legions were too slow to get there.

So to summarize this wonderful thread; don't fly Legions kids, they're teribad.

/thread

PS: Nice NPC alt btw.

I try to listen to what you are saying Jack but in these type of decisions, you immediately go on the attack telling people how they are wrong, throwing around your personal opinion like they are facts.

Sometimes i agree with what you but when find your views unrealistic and illogical I'll try to explain how some people view things differently but most of the time my main argument is ignored and up arguin about off topic stuff...



Here is an example. This thread is about adding a VERY low number of C7 wormholes (4-7) that hold new content. Ideally, i would like them to be implemented in a way that encourages people to move into C6 space because C6 is too quiet atm. You admit there is a population problem in C6 space but your answer is to focus on low end wormholes?! Surely this would make things worse.

I think most people would agree that as you go up in wormhole classes rewards should be greater because of the increased difficulty and risk. C7 wormholes could be a way to encourage people to take the risk and move to a higher class, and it would also allow CCP to experiment more with wormhole space without screwing up what we already have.

Bane was right when he said:

I hope that one day we can respect each others opinions on these forums and discuss things rationally without the petty arguing because at the end of the day, we all want wormhole space to thrive, even if we do disagree on how that should be done.

this is exactly like saying C6s encourage people to move to C5s. it's nonsense.

whatever, im signing out of this thread, see my earlier post for why this idea is stupid.

OMG this is already 6 pages long.... Boring

No it's not, it's like saying new content would attract new players. If you fail to see this then i agree, you should stay out of this thread and all others that require people to do your thinking for you. [Added to blocked list]




Wrong. People live in C2 because they prefer it there or their corp isn't strong enough yet. There is nothing wrong with C2 space, and because it's so populated, this indicates that C2 are the last wormhole system that need any improvements, so stop banging on about C2 FFS.

Every time, you guys just skip over the entire post and respond with poorly thought out arguments. I'm tried of it.

It's funny you say declining, because I've noticed a pretty good increase in c5 space activity from the last time I was here.