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Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-10 19:21:29 UTC
I wonder if this is the best channel to post about Cosmic Anomalies.

I found this link Cosmic Anomaly with the Difficulty (level).


ok, I'm starting to do those and wonder what kind of info I can find.

I'm trying to generate more income from running those than my current cost.


As of my last tried it costed me over 9.1m to 21m compared to 900k I made in about 9 hours.
That takes in account other activities I did to get prepared and some mission running.


Obviously, it is not the most profitable activity for me so far.
At least I managed to test the amount of ISK that I generated and that it costed me.


I'm trying to get a BH ship set up and increase my skills for that.
I read about the new SoE ships and understand they are for new sites.
I find them more dangerous and I'm quite sure I'd have to lose more before I can get income from that.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-02-10 19:25:18 UTC
what is your question?

Why did it cost you 9.1m - 21m, and why did you only make 900k? What anomalies were you running?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-10 19:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Thank you very much Batelle.

Q. What anomalies were you running?

The Blood Yard is a moderately difficult cosmic anomaly associated with the Blood Raider Covenant. It is commonly found in low security space in regions infested by members of the group.

I was at Wave 1 since there was 1x out of
2 x Blood Heavy Missile Battery
There possibly was
2 x Cruisers (Corpum Arch Sage)
and
1 x Battleship (Corpus Archon)
Although I didn't verify that yet.

This definitely was too hard for me, and although I managed to survive, should not attempt again until stronger.
I am not sure if it was a level 4 type since I read Battleship are associated with level 4.


Q. Why did it cost you 9.1m - 21m?

This came from a BC loss of 10m at 42m or 34m ship cost - 35m insurance.
Funny enough, you can buy a BC, insure it and make 1m or more.
I found some at around 24m in NS.
I am quite sure the insurance would still pay 35m.

The other costs on top of that were the fitting cost of the BC.
Add rigs to it and it would be another 10m or more...

[Edit 22:55:
I paid 35m for my BC and got 35,265,692.00 ISK back.
082.9k EMP ammo.
180k weapons.
829k ammo (another).
373k nanite paste
500k for 2 launchers at
015k missiles
900k EM Wards
849k Shield
213k Gyro
024k Damage Control
732k x2 Low Sec booster
830k Warp Stabs
460k Shield again
075k Drones
315k Salvager
- 3.4m x2 Tractor Beams
006k 4 target painters
120k auto targeting system
680k Drones
before I got destroyed, of course, I still have lots of that.
Edit 23:06:
13,886.9k = 13.89m ISK
So yeah, there is a 10m, 13m there somewhere,
and the part of the fitting that dropped.]

Q. Why did you only make 900k?
That was from a mission for which I got around 110k.
It was a low sec security mission.
I had to destroy some pirates.
That was easy and went quite well, although I may have lost a drone or 2.
I then got a bonus for 100k for completion within 2 or 3 hours.
I then got a bonus from killing pirates in the form of bounties from which a (very small) cut was taken.

I made a bit more from ratting in Highsec I believe, and that was easy and just under a million.
I made a BC with Salvager and Tractor Beam to collect the wreck.


This went on pretty much for 9 hours which took my whole day.

Of course I managed to test the mission and test ratting.

I was trying to test to see how much I could earn from NS ratting.
It seems they may be too hard for me to beat.

I'd have to verify the type of NPC Pirates difficulty to know what I need to beat them.
Multiple ships or a fleet will definitely help for that.

I'm concerned with the exact amount, and finding what that exact amount is even if it is a loss.
I want to compare with Bazaar income, and mining income.
I almost manage to make 1m per hour mining (I find it low).

That above mining income is not including an Orca but only with 3 Retrievers at best.
I sometimes add a 4th Venture although it gets too laggy and I tend to loose it.


Q. what is your question?
1. I wonder if this is the best channel to post about Cosmic Anomalies.
2. ok, I'm starting to do those and wonder what kind of info I can find.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#4 - 2014-02-11 00:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
I'm studying nullsec anoms now, but its literally 5 months of work, and its still a long way from finished, due to escalation and commander rates being low, and needing hundreds of samples to get estimates for rates.

Anoms basically have 4 things to learn.

the normal spawn pattern
the alternate spawn pattern if it exists (usually identified with different structures/npcs in the first wave)
there is a commander spawn, what type and how often
there is an escalation, what type and how often.

IMO a young character would be best served by doing the highsec "den" anomoly, as that has a high proportion of commander spawns, and a frequent escalation. The escalation may of course be too hard for you (ded 5), but it is a fairly valuable escalation. The commander on offer is a cruiser commander which appears equivalent to the cruiser commander you would find in a lowsec belt, and spawn rates appear to be as high as 8% of all dens.

Having done the serpentis den a lot, I'd say that the escalation rate is likely 4% and the commander rate is likely 8%, and the commanders eventually gave me lg snake implants and other valuables.

I don't know where Yards escalate to, but would naturally expect the ded 5, one problem with studying yards is that they are lowsec only and you have to keep hunting them to find them which makes it very hard to get complete info, where as nullsec anoms I can respawn via my ihub and thus do many more at a time.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-11 01:05:27 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:

Q. what is your question?
1. I wonder if this is the best channel to post about Cosmic Anomalies.
2. ok, I'm starting to do those and wonder what kind of info I can find.

Answer :
1 - Yes, this sub-forum channel (Missions & Complexes) is the correct one to post about Cosmic Anomalies.
2 - Aside from using Google Search, Evelopedia has most of the sites documented fairly well.

Now about the amount of ISK invested compared to the amount of ISK gained. You have to give it time, can't compare it just after one session. The initial investment is only paid once (if you don't lose your ship) whereas completing sites is a continuous effort which increases the amount of ISK gained each day.

As for high security Minmatar space, I've found that the 'Angel Hideaway' anomaly has the highest chance of Commander NPC spawn, about 10%. The 'Angel Burrow' has about 5% chance to spawn Commander NPC. Those sites don't escalate but the 'Angel Refuge' anomaly has a very good chance of escalation to DED 5/10 site - Angel's Red Light District.

When doing high sec exploration, those sites are a good fallback when there isn't any Cosmic Signatures available to run.

Hope this helps.


DMC

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2014-02-11 01:41:12 UTC
lvl4 missions in hs are going to give you the most consistent isk. complexes\DED sites are not guaranteed to give you anything as far as escalations or decent bounties. You probably better of getting in a fast high dps ships and hitting the belts in ls and ns for the bounties. To make ns ratting/anom running work you need to be in a corp/alliance in good space as a new player. It is possible to ninja other peoples anoms.. but it takes some effort and a scouting alt.
You should join a decent corp that can help you grow, unless of course this is a forum alt :). That way you can run missions with them and maybe get the salvage to help build up some isk.
A destroyer works better than a BC for salvaging, noctis is what you want though
google should get you to a fit that someone has used to do these type of sites.
You can also look for sir livingstons, jonypew, he has a lot of you tube vids on exploration. There are some in game channels that will have players to help you out.. can't remember them of the top of my head :(
Just drop me an evemail and when I log on I will send you their names..
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-19 17:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
I now rat in HS and avoid LS due to pirate if possible.
I have a fitted cane with 3 Warp Stabilizer for in case and when I get tackled.
I will soon put 4 or 5 to increase it's escape ratio.

I went to 0.0 yesterday to verify about the types of combat anomalies rats.
They mostly are level 6 and up except for 1 level 5 which is too high for my fit.

I'd have to change my fit to beat those level 6 or get a BS.
I can afford a BS though I don't know the insurance value yet.

If I have to do it in 0.0, I can afford a carrier with Drones.
That should give me more firepower although it'd increase my risk ratio too high.

I cannot afford to loose a BS yet.
I would need to run at least 100 BC anomalies to make it worthwhile and be able to afford the loss.


To make matters worst, I had to scout to find the rat value in 0.0.
The place was also infested with enemy alliance which I'd have to clear to avoid getting killed.
That also doesn't bring the looted content to a safe place.
It only took me 28 seconds to safely log off in my rookie ship but it's the safest thing to do.
Should be :
... it's "not" the safest thing to do.

The money is awful and I can't keep doing this.
I tested and found my investment cost to overdo the income gained from this ratting.
I most likely would have to ship my equipment back to Jita for around 100m.
That equipment costed me another 230m without 2 jump bridges at 100m or 50m+ each + fuel.


I can clear the Den but not the yard with my current fit.


I didn't test FW or Incursion successfully, but Bazaar trading will be better for me.
I suspect that it would cost me more than I would gain to do FW and Incursions as well...


I could defeat those level 6 and up rats except that I would need 2 or 3 accounts to do so.
4 accounts would require me to multi-box which is not worthwhile for me at this time.
Multi-client with 4 or more pilots has a 50% chance+ that the lag will likely kill one of them .


I'll be Bazaar trading and then try FW or Incursion in group after making 100% profit or more.
(I also know that scamming requires no skill, but other than Bazaar are all scams to me.)

The recent Coalitions battles should help to fuel that.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-19 17:27:12 UTC
Also, I forgot, this Cosmic Anomalies would be best posted in the EVE General Discussion channel.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2014-02-19 17:35:32 UTC
you should join a corp.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Orlacc
#10 - 2014-02-19 17:51:45 UTC
Cosmic Anomalies are Complexes. Hence this is the right place.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-02-19 18:44:36 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Cosmic Anomalies are Complexes. Hence this is the right place.

Not according to any common usage of either word. But this is still the right place.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Orlacc
#12 - 2014-02-19 20:39:04 UTC
EVE usage Grasshopper.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-02-19 21:00:57 UTC
The Complex are from the Factional Warfare.

Anomalies are not Missions to COSMOS sites, exploration and complexes...
(Missions & Complexes)

They are not PVP in EVE: including Factional Warfare, 0.0 campaigns, low sec skirmishes and empire wars.
(Warfare & Tactics)

They are not the latest scam, hire a mercenary to seek revenge or brag about your kills.
(Crime & Punishment)

I already am in a Corporation and for that you can add another 2 billion + cost even with a free 500m.
Total costs at over 13b now.

Where do you see that I would make money from any of those venture?
I would square and cube it!
Salvos Rhoska
#14 - 2014-02-20 07:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
I run highsec Angel Combat Anomalies while probing for Combat Signatures.
I use an active shield arty Cynabal for all of them with little to no problems (while skilling for HAC).
I warp to 10km in the Anomalies and cycle targets while still in the f10 map interface. I dont even need to move except for an occassional keep range command.None of the Angel sites in highsec has scrams (except 1 escalation ohase in high sec I think).

Avoid the Drone sites. They are crap ISK.

Income varies dramatically depending on drops and Signature availability, but I prefer this style to grinding missions.
I havent kept accurate count but I estimate about 1bil a week for 5-6hrs of play a day.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#15 - 2014-02-20 07:15:55 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
I now rat in HS and avoid LS due to pirate if possible.
I have a fitted cane with 3 Warp Stabilizer for in case and when I get tackled.
I will soon put 4 or 5 to increase it's escape ratio.

I went to 0.0 yesterday to verify about the types of combat anomalies rats.
They mostly are level 6 and up except for 1 level 5 which is too high for my fit.

I'd have to change my fit to beat those level 6 or get a BS.
I can afford a BS though I don't know the insurance value yet.

If I have to do it in 0.0, I can afford a carrier with Drones.
That should give me more firepower although it'd increase my risk ratio too high.

I cannot afford to loose a BS yet.
I would need to run at least 100 BC anomalies to make it worthwhile and be able to afford the loss.


To make matters worst, I had to scout to find the rat value in 0.0.
The place was also infested with enemy alliance which I'd have to clear to avoid getting killed.
That also doesn't bring the looted content to a safe place.
It only took me 28 seconds to safely log off in my rookie ship but it's the safest thing to do.


The money is awful and I can't keep doing this.
I tested and found my investment cost to overdo the income gained from this ratting.
I most likely would have to ship my equipment back to Jita for around 100m.
That equipment costed me another 230m without 2 jump bridges at 100m or 50m+ each + fuel.



I use a dominix to rat. It shoots up to 26m isk/tick or ~75m/hr. It would take 3 or 4 hours to pay off the fit. I have never lost a spaceship to anomoly rats, and its likely that I'd only ever lose a spaceship in an anomoly because I fell asleep or another player killed me (which is pretty likely if I fall asleep anyway in null).
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-02-20 15:21:25 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I run highsec Angel Combat Anomalies while probing for Combat Signatures.
I use an active shield arty Cynabal for all of them with little to no problems (while skilling for HAC).
I warp to 10km in the Anomalies and cycle targets while still in the f10 map interface. I dont even need to move except for an occassional keep range command.None of the Angel sites in highsec has scrams (except 1 escalation ohase in high sec I think).

Avoid the Drone sites. They are crap ISK.

Income varies dramatically depending on drops and Signature availability, but I prefer this style to grinding missions.
I havent kept accurate count but I estimate about 1bil a week for 5-6hrs of play a day.


At best, without including the patch times:
5 days x 5 hours per week = 25 hours per week.
My costs are $20 for 12 hours, $40 for 24 hours.
= More than 1.2b at the current PLEX rate.

Success ratio 0% of 0% = 0%.
Time to achieve resolve, the best so far.
You win the EVE online price of the year and last year and the year before that too!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

New cost = $2 per half hour, $4 per hour. Patching time reduce to almost nothing or under 5 minutes.
Also, no drops, having to patch again for 1 hour +, and mic functional (important for Tactics).

The Combat Anomalies are Scan Group: Cosmic Anomaly | Group: Combat.
The Drones are the same groups.

I will try to do that in NPC null with a group of allies in a few days or months but it may prove useless.
For one, my high costs makes Character Bazaar much more efficient.
Since I like efficiency, it makes it more attractive to me.
Everyone suggest me to try something else, except one person out of over 100 (so less than 1%).
Oddly enough for the certainty ratio (which is a scientific engineering term), that is the only person right.

The main problem to the NPC null conditions will be the group aspect and the logistic to share the rewards.

I am more than 80% sure that BH is still the best route for me, after 95% of Character Bazaar.
Trying anything else leads to warfare scope of over $300k which I cannot afford at this time.

Needless to say, at $4 per hour, or $10 for 3 hours, my costs are twice as high as $5 for 3 hours.
$40 for 12 hours, $80 for 24 hours or some lower amounts, rounded up.
That equates to not 2 PLEX but 4 which is 2.2b, more than my Alliance + Shipping cost.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#17 - 2014-02-20 15:27:55 UTC
Batelle wrote:
you should join a corp.

Or get your head examined.

From reading some of his other threads, there must be something interesting going on in there and science deserves to know.
Zeeba Nabali
Nabali and sons
#18 - 2014-02-20 15:33:19 UTC
You lost me, man...

Anyway, can I have your stuff?

Go North, it's warmer
Heyosi Pserad
Quafe Art
#19 - 2014-02-20 15:35:49 UTC
Roll
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-02-20 15:38:16 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Batelle wrote:
you should join a corp.

Or get your head examined.

From reading some of his other threads, there must be something interesting going on in there and science deserves to know.

Actually I have to for work.

I deserve of the science.

Not the other way around, be victimized by your science, which would only serve to reinforce the scam case.
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