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CSM meets CCP Senior Producer Zulu about your concerns

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#201 - 2011-09-10 16:30:47 UTC
Headerman wrote:




CCP Manifest, if i may be so bold...

tl;dr, CCP is a business. And as far as businesses go, they number one business goal is to stay in business. That is best done by having great products people are wanting to buy[/quote]

anyone else getting the feeling this is a troll by CCP AND the CSM? lol

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#202 - 2011-09-10 16:34:31 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:


They are right in saying that nothing of detailed substance was said during the meeting--however there was apparently enough vague substance to convince them that the next meeting should be promising indeed. Convinced enough to decide to come to you guys and give a progress report, treading dangeous political waters. If the preliminary meeting didn't smell of enough Red Meat, I severely doubt they would be here at all. We didn't try to convince them to speak to you guys.



I hope in that context that CCP - at all levels - fully understands that for many of us our patience is no longer wearing thin, it has in fact worn through.

Of the dozen or so friends I used to attempt 'flying in space' with none play EVE any more.

That's right - zero.

C.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#203 - 2011-09-10 16:57:19 UTC
Cailais wrote:
CCP Manifest wrote:


They are right in saying that nothing of detailed substance was said during the meeting--however there was apparently enough vague substance to convince them that the next meeting should be promising indeed. Convinced enough to decide to come to you guys and give a progress report, treading dangeous political waters. If the preliminary meeting didn't smell of enough Red Meat, I severely doubt they would be here at all. We didn't try to convince them to speak to you guys.



I hope in that context that CCP - at all levels - fully understands that for many of us our patience is no longer wearing thin, it has in fact worn through.

Of the dozen or so friends I used to attempt 'flying in space' with none play EVE any more.

That's right - zero.

C.



38.071 online, am i wrong or is it looking like a drop of about 12.000 players for an average saturday ?

having said that i have to add this, some peoeple just get bored of a game and move on, in eve everyone feels that they need to rant about being bored with it before they leave.
some changes are good, some are fail, but lets be honest, changes will happen no matter how much you don't want them to.

all we can hope is that the CSM who i am really thankful to for all the hard work they do, can help make sure that these changes we see coming are for the better of the game in the future, and not that the game stays the same as it was way back when because some people can't stand change.

if you've fallen out of love with eve, leave her, she doesn't care how you feel,, just go.

but if you love eve, stay online Blink and fight for better changes that keep eve as being the very best internet spaceship game there is.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2011-09-10 17:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
38.071 online, am i wrong or is it looking like a drop of about 12.000 players for an average saturday ?

it's the summer - everybody is on holidays

looks at calendar

it's the fall - people are back to school/work and have less time for EVE


(soon it will be winter and people will be too busy spending time with friends & family to play EVE)
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
#205 - 2011-09-10 17:20:15 UTC
Then when does people play the game? Only in spring?
Lens Thirring
#206 - 2011-09-10 17:36:02 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

38.071 online, am i wrong or is it looking like a drop of about 12.000 players for an average saturday ?

This is why CCP has probably already been thinking seriously about their Eve development plans, and why we may be seeing some progress. By now they've looked at the summer numbers and done Hilmar's "say vs. do" calculation.

I'm not sure a handful of articles in gamer magazines, a good portion of which were not particularly negative towards CCP anyway, caused too many sleepless nights in Reykjavik. If anything, rather than fearing bad publicity, they may be jumping on an opportunity for good publicity which has been handed to them.

And, if it turns out that more resources are turned towards developing Eve, then good publicity is well-deserved. CCP will have shown itself to be responsive to the concerns players have voiced all summer.

Two step wrote:

My own ideas on what should be added are irrelevant.

Thanks, CSM. It turns out that somebody who actually does have something relevant to say did turn up in this thread. Please go on about your self-important NDAed business.

We look forward to hearing more details, Manifest.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#207 - 2011-09-10 18:05:49 UTC
Well its good that the CSM is acting in such a way that it gets to presure CCP somewhat.

But another vague promise about action in the future is not enough for me, atm. On that at least I agree with the CSM.

PS: Glad to hear about the dead horse agreement.

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Ein Spiegel
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
#208 - 2011-09-10 18:16:52 UTC
One thing, if you could mention it to them, and I would be appreciative.

After the cookie derp and the Incarna RAEG release, I thought maybe they decided not to publish any major changes or make any major changes just prior to the weekend. Y'know, on a Friday.

And here it is, the new forums went live at 10 after five... on a Friday. Is Screegs pulling overtime on the weekend just in case?

CCP may wonder why trust is such a hard sell to players. Could this be a reason?

Just sayin'. Making major changes ten minutes after typical "closing time" the day before a weekend might not be a great idea when you've made public statements that it wasn't going to happen again. (I guess it could have been worse... you could have done it before a long weekend for a major market share area.)
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#209 - 2011-09-10 18:18:58 UTC
Ein Spiegel wrote:
One thing, if you could mention it to them, and I would be appreciative.

After the cookie derp and the Incarna RAEG release, I thought maybe they decided not to publish any major changes or make any major changes just prior to the weekend. Y'know, on a Friday.

And here it is, the new forums went live at 10 after five... on a Friday. Is Screegs pulling overtime on the weekend just in case?

CCP may wonder why trust is such a hard sell to players. Could this be a reason?

Just sayin'. Making major changes ten minutes after typical "closing time" the day before a weekend might not be a great idea when you've made public statements that it wasn't going to happen again. (I guess it could have been worse... you could have done it before a long weekend for a major market share area.)

They went live on Tuesday the Old forums got sealed and put in storage on Friday.

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See you around the universe.
T'Laar Bok
#210 - 2011-09-10 18:22:36 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
I had to sleep.


I take it you're not a miner then.

Amphetimines are your friend.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#211 - 2011-09-10 18:26:07 UTC
Ein Spiegel wrote:
One thing, if you could mention it to them, and I would be appreciative.

After the cookie derp and the Incarna RAEG release, I thought maybe they decided not to publish any major changes or make any major changes just prior to the weekend. Y'know, on a Friday.

And here it is, the new forums went live at 10 after five... on a Friday. Is Screegs pulling overtime on the weekend just in case?

CCP may wonder why trust is such a hard sell to players. Could this be a reason?

Just sayin'. Making major changes ten minutes after typical "closing time" the day before a weekend might not be a great idea when you've made public statements that it wasn't going to happen again. (I guess it could have been worse... you could have done it before a long weekend for a major market share area.)


Uh, new forums went live this monday. The old ones closed at 17:10 on Friday, but I don't see the issue here.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#212 - 2011-09-10 18:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Nin Kimrov wrote:
Then when does people play the game? Only in spring?

you are looking at this issue from a wrong (dare I say outright timid) angle...

Do you know what players do for CCP?

- they increase bandwidth cost and stress the servers
- they demand costly new features and bug fixes
- they write petitions that have to be read and answered
- they try everything to destroy CCP's reputation in the gaming media
- they abuse the EVE IP without paying a single cent in royalties
- they make CCP's employees suffer nervous breakdowns

players are BAD.


subscribers are GOOD.

You know what an exemplary subscriber does for CCP?

- he signs a permanent collection authorization and forgets about CCP & EVE.


Traditional wisdom says that most subscribers are also players and vice versa.

But that's literally the kind of thinking that made the dinosaurs go extinct.


CCP's strategy is to reduce the intersection of subscribers and players with the long-term goal of bringing the number of players down to zero (PROJECT ZERO). Every drop in PCU numbers is a step in the right direction.


This fearless innovation in business plans sets CCP apart from the competition and will guarantee its exponential growth for years to come.
Neftaran
Dread Guard
#213 - 2011-09-10 19:03:51 UTC
I truly do not see why do you space politicians even bother posting this type of information. It's getting so repetitive and pointless. You wave your saber around to garner some attention.. CCP lets things gestate for a few days and then low and behold it's time for a meeting. You have your meeting then regurgitate the same responses we've been hearing for years. Few months from now we will get some more space drama and the never ending spin cycle of b.s. will start over again.

Player representation is nothing more than an illusion.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#214 - 2011-09-10 19:15:06 UTC
Neftaran wrote:
I truly do not see why do you space politicians even bother posting this type of information. It's getting so repetitive and pointless. You wave your saber around to garner some attention.. CCP lets things gestate for a few days and then low and behold it's time for a meeting. You have your meeting then regurgitate the same responses we've been hearing for years. Few months from now we will get some more space drama and the never ending spin cycle of b.s. will start over again.

Player representation is nothing more than an illusion.


Great, don't vote in CSM7, and I'll keep all this power and influence to myself. No big!

~hi~
Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#215 - 2011-09-10 19:31:54 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
Neftaran wrote:
I truly do not see why do you space politicians even bother posting this type of information. It's getting so repetitive and pointless. You wave your saber around to garner some attention.. CCP lets things gestate for a few days and then low and behold it's time for a meeting. You have your meeting then regurgitate the same responses we've been hearing for years. Few months from now we will get some more space drama and the never ending spin cycle of b.s. will start over again.

Player representation is nothing more than an illusion.


Great, don't vote in CSM7, and I'll keep all this power and influence to myself. No big!



And he aint kidding, Prema Donna that he is.........
Sigras
Conglomo
#216 - 2011-09-10 19:57:18 UTC
as I read this thread, I see more and more that there is nothing that will make you guys happy; I understand and think its reasonable that people are upset, i mean Im upset too, but I understand as a programmer and a gamer that things take time

I keep reading things like "patch notes or GTFO" and I ask myself what do you want them to do? materialize thousands of hours of play testing and code out of nowhere? Im also of the opinion that we'll wait and see what CCP comes up with but the operative word in that position is WAIT.

Id rather wait 3 months and see what CCP comes out with, then if they fail I have a legitimate reason for being pissed off. the problem with most of you is you wont remember this thread or your problems in 3 months.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2011-09-10 19:57:35 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:
because it is heavily NDA'd,6


Me and a friend discussed what we would like to do with your avatar. But, because of NDA's all I can say is it involved ropes and a riding crop. Stay tuned for more information.

Don't ban me, bro!
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#218 - 2011-09-10 20:00:17 UTC
It's also funny that there are idiots who think that the CSM has any choice as to what is NDA'd and what isn't; if it was up to us, we'd tell you what the meeting was about. But in this case it's Zulu's decision. vOv

~hi~
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#219 - 2011-09-10 20:12:25 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
It's also funny that there are idiots who think that the CSM has any choice as to what is NDA'd and what isn't; if it was up to us, we'd tell you what the meeting was about. But in this case it's Zulu's decision. vOv

Just out of curiosity, do you feel waving the NDA was justified in this particular case?

I mean it's hard to imagine the WoW and Old Republic devs waiting for CCP to open its collective mouth and then run back to rejigger their thingamabobs to start locking in the serious spaceship demographic.

I guess the perp duders might be interested but they probably have basic infrastructure things still to deal with.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#220 - 2011-09-10 20:22:33 UTC
Ravcharas wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
It's also funny that there are idiots who think that the CSM has any choice as to what is NDA'd and what isn't; if it was up to us, we'd tell you what the meeting was about. But in this case it's Zulu's decision. vOv

Just out of curiosity, do you feel waving the NDA was justified in this particular case?

I mean it's hard to imagine the WoW and Old Republic devs waiting for CCP to open its collective mouth and then run back to rejigger their thingamabobs to start locking in the serious spaceship demographic.

I guess the perp duders might be interested but they probably have basic infrastructure things still to deal with.


In general, we nearly always urge CCP to make things public as soon as possible. This meeting wasn't an exception to that rule.

CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog