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New WCS balance idea?
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Riksma
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-19 16:31:15 UTC
Source: http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.com/2014/02/stab-stabs.html

TL;DR: -80% to launcher and turret rate of fire.
-80% to drone damage.

It seems to me that this will hamstring FW plex farmers completely while letting honest alt haulers such as myself continue to use the module as God intended!

I'v long been uncomfortable with many of the ideas for 'fixing' FW plex farming by messing with the warp core stabilizer, but this idea I like... a lot. And for those who say that true newbs need the isk, I'll just say that they can still do what they have been, but now they need to pay attention and not be AFK - and that's not too much to ask, imo.

Full disclosure: I am not the author of that blog, but my main is in FW - and I I haul a fair amount also so I have been conflicted on this topic for some time. (posted with the alt hauler cuz it seemed appropriate, nomadpls)
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#2 - 2014-02-19 16:36:56 UTC
Why the need for a kill? They are not accomplishing their goal. The ship is so cheap compared to the reward you are not preventing them from doing it again or even costing them much annoyance.

FW seems like it has issues, and stabbed farmers seem like a pretty minor one.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#3 - 2014-02-19 16:37:42 UTC
Warp core stabs are balanced. In regards to fw there is a simple solution.... they can still enter plexes with stabs but cannot capture or claim lp. Sinple
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#4 - 2014-02-19 16:51:08 UTC
the objective is to protect the plex, which is accomplished when the plexer warps out.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2014-02-19 17:02:42 UTC
you forgot to penalize smartbombs there.

In all serious, I'd rather see FW mechanics changed rather than WCS.

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#6 - 2014-02-19 17:04:58 UTC
Batelle wrote:
you forgot to penalize smartbombs there.

In all serious, I'd rather see FW mechanics changed rather than WCS.


This.

If someone has stabs fit, they aren't hanging around for the fight anyway.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-19 17:11:24 UTC
I've done a bit of fw. I don't recall seeing any warp stabbed drone ships in plexes. I wish I'd thought of it.

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Jhaelee de'Auvrie
Amarrian Vengeance
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#8 - 2014-02-20 02:33:44 UTC
Stabbed/cloak farming frigs running mediums and larges with ease is an issue in FW. Rather than adjust the warpcore stabs themselves (as in most cases they cripple PvP ships enough as is) why not just change the FW plex timer mechanics.

My suggestion is that CCP should change the FW sites to not count a ship with warpcore stabs or a cloak fitted towards activating the timer. This would solve the farming issue entirely.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#9 - 2014-02-20 02:46:41 UTC
Such artificial solutions. It's disgraceful.

The solution is far more natural and elegant than that:

Remove LP from the orbiting of buttons.
Jhaelee de'Auvrie
Amarrian Vengeance
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#10 - 2014-02-20 03:20:51 UTC
The plexes are the one unique thing in FW, I would rather see them remove the FW missions all together than have no game mechanic benefit to running the plexes. The only problem with them is the ease of which farmers can do them in stabbed/cloaked ships to avoid PvP.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-20 03:40:25 UTC
Best solution to stabed plex farmers is to have the complex emit a grid warp disruption field the entire time the complex is being captured. Once captured the disruption field would dissapear.

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Jhaelee de'Auvrie
Amarrian Vengeance
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#12 - 2014-02-20 04:13:54 UTC
That is a solid idea, something like a 40km radius so people inside could burn out of range to escape if needed, but not 30km otherwise you could just sit 1cm side and simply aligning would move you out to warp off.