Wormholes

Its mostly about the type of gameplay pilots prefer, some people just want to find a null sec exit and go do some nano gangs, roam and kill some ratters. Other do black ops in null. Can you blame them? W-space is perfect for raiding k-space and its up to various groups what they want to do. Some chain collapse, others stalk and yet others raid k-space. What amuses me the most is that a lot of people are asking for conflict drivers but they can't offer any new ideas, it keeps coming back to controlling space or taking over desirable systems which is what null sec already is.

Well from most of the posts the idea of c7 wh is that you can't even control it, you can only temporarily have the field but that is it. And no people are offering many ideas, such as the no self destruct in pos idea, simple but yet potentially a great conflict driver.

And I am not criticizing the fact that getting kills in k-space is not legitimate gameplay. All I am stating is even prominent wh groups gets the bulk of their kills in k-space, doesn't that mean that fights and kills in wh are too little to be had?

Disclaimer: I am only speaking for myself, not my corp or alliance



I love fights in w-space. I especially love fighting other pvp-entities. It is similar to the thrill of going full-contact martial arts, paintball or whatever. Just on a grander scale since it involves a lot of planning, coordination and calculated risks. Most of the time it is also consentual.



I want more fights in w-space. I also want to be able to force fights.



Outside of the threat of eviction, or actually evicting someone, it is difficult to force fights. Wormholes last 24h, reinforcing a POS and then taking it down afterwards means letting the route back collapse. I'd like to see less "comitting" disruptive gameplay aimed at forcing fights.

Here is an example: Today, if you trigger an anom, it will despawn 4 days later. It hardly matters, and isn't very disruptive. What if you could anchor a deployable fozzie that pacifies the sleepers, but requires you to be inside the deployable fozzie's forcefield? 15 min later, the anom despawns and you get a small reward. Perhaps 1/10th of the "site value". Of course, everyone else can warp in and engage you. Once the fozzie is killed, you have 30 seconds to get out before the sleepers aggro again.



Result: Gameplay that messes with farmers and opens up potential for pvp. No farmer wants their sites despawned and since the reward is small, it encourages small-gang pvp.



This is an example, and I have not analyzed every implication of the idea.

And here was me thinking this was a forum where we could openly discuss wormhole related stuff without being attacked and insulted.

The difference between you and me is that i like to theorize and openly discuss how thing could work until we arrive at a consensus. You on the other hand are so stuck in your ways that you believe your way is the only way and you resort to writing angry and insulting posts.

It is my personal opinion that the majority of people in w-space should aspire to move up through the classes of systems as they grow. That's not me saying everyone should play my way, that is simply me expressing my opinion.

What is strange is that every time i put forward a way in which C5/6 space could be improved, you are usually the first to say "huge blobbing alliances are the problem in c5/c6 space" and then you turn around and say: "in many cases actually having a high end wh is a hindrance"...

If you want to start again and try to have a constructive conversion, please read and respond to post #35... alternatively, you could just block my posts and move on with your life.

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Interesting... Have you spoken to may people who have told you "i'm not moving into wormhole space until they fix black holes and POS"?

ps. i fixed your post for you.

Most of the ideas and suggestions for W-Space revolve around forcing or encouraging people to play the game differently. If they wanted to do it, they'd probably be doing it now.

Want new systems to entice new people? They're sure as hell not going to START in a C7. C6 and C5 systems are pretty empty now so it's not like there's not room. So why aren't people moving up more? Answer that first. My opinion is because the established groups are wealthy, experienced, and demand a blood sacrifice every time they roll in even when both sides know the new group doesn't stand a chance. Sounds fun to me!

Can't SD in a POS? Oh good, we're encouraging ourselves to kick more people out. It certainly doesn't encourage people to fight more since SDing causes them to lose their **** anyway. Think they'll go for a last stand or one glorious whelp into your blob? Doubt it. They'll pack up what they can, log off, and hope to escape later. Whelping does nothing for them in any sense.

Increasing income clearly isn't the answer as all that does is infest W-Space with more farmers. Just look at C5 space after cap escalations became common knowledge.

We're products of our own habits. HK is failscading? Quick! Recruit their content creators so we seal the deal and make sure they don't have anyone who can lead a reformed version. There goes another independent entity, rolled into the rest.

You have to appeal to the kind of people that want to do this stuff, not just force people in front of your guns. They need to have fun which means having a chance in fights against us and appealing to people who actually like to PVP. CSM members: ask the other CSM why they don't play in wormholes. Who knows, maybe they want the fountain of kills from lowsec, the ~story~ of nullsec, or maybe they hate living in POSes, or the lack of local. Maybe we're all just pricks! No matter the answer, I'm pretty sure no one is going to say "because there's no C7 space" or "there's no room."

Why is this even a problem though? Farmers farm, farmers die. Just look at how successful Blood Union has been, they are literally slaughtering capital escalation groups at 1-2 per day. Not necessarily saying that WH income should be increased, but what you're saying is baseless because farmers do increase the amount of content for some people, and they certainly don't decrease it. Not like having a farmer in a WH is worse than that WH being empty from a pvp standpoint...

I completely agree, i know its a balance CSM's have to handle so that CCP still speaks to them but it doesn't mean i will stop nagging every WH CSM about POS's.

Seriously i think we would all just settle for the personal SMA's we all asked for when we got the useless personal CHA. I don't see how a personal SMA would take that much more dev time then all these nullsec deployable structures we have gotten.

I never said farmers were a bad thing, but I think what the people posting here want are those who live and fight in W-Space rather than just more ganks. Farmers can farm.