Crime & Punishment

I hope you are trolling. If not, I hope it comes from not knowing goblin long enough. If that's also not true, well...

I'm not trolling.
He did call me a moron multiple times because I had a different opinion and posted about stuff on the forums.
I am talking about the Lemming/cleanse goons from hisec propaganda posts.
There are 2 sides in this conflict and both sides have no empathy whatsoever towards their opponent which results in the hilarity we have here.

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From your point of view, I can see that.
From our point of view, we have to believe and be a bit optimistic, we are after all up against THE BIGGEST force in the game. After all, what fun would there be if we'd just admit defeat even before we began?


And for us it's a twofold source of entertainment aswel; attention + counter intelligence.


Allright, but still the fervor and allmost tangible hate with which some post is... staggering.


True. On the other hand, if said treaty wouldn't exist, goons would have lost quite a lot of pocos by now which leads to believe the treaty isn't beneficial to RVB as much as it is to goons.


They are indeed not, which is admirable. From our point of view, it makes us feel more important (than we propably are in the grand scheme of things)

Billion of kills from highsec publords is not new.
Nope it isn't but it's still nice for the publords, isn't it? It counts as a morale boost so I take it.

Last quote: Realistically though, do you think your goal is achievable?
I think there is a small chance it can be achieved but it will take quite a while and depends on funds, morale and numbers so all little victories count. Remember: we are taking on the CFC.
Everybody likes the underdog

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I'll try and give an example. If you were part of an entity under siege by a big powerblock and the leader of said powerbloc had this to say;

such that we can maintain our newfound superiority over our enemies.
you will see the tears flow and hear a chorus of screams of the like we have not seen
by stabbing "your entity" in their heart over and over and over again until they stop moving.
We will trap them in their staging system and crush the life out of them. We will repel any attempts to spring them from their coward’s prison, because they deserve this fate. Nothing will live, nothing will escape.

Given the context, would you not doubt this powerbloc's leader's sanity a little bit? He's your enemie and makes such a bloodthirsty rant afterall.

Ok... Whatever your reply, please apply the same standards to mister Goblin's blog.

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I get what message you're trying to make, but the problem is you don't know goblins history. The example you gave is pretty much an inspirational speech a leader makes before a battle. Adding some role playing in it, maybe. But in the end, normal people know this is a game played for fun and we should not take such words literally. Gevlon, on the other hand, truly believes what he writes. I know - I've been laughing at it for years. He seriously believes to be a super human. He seriously believes only numbers matter in life and all social aspects are examples of stupidity of lesser beings. In his case this is not a propaganda in a game - it's what he really represents. We, probably, would meet at fanfest and laugh about it while drinking insane amounts of beer. To him, this is unimaginable.

How did you reach this conclusion. The first POCO attack, RvB weren't even able to fight Marmite, and a group of miniluv caused you to flee the field. Goons are fully capable of forming up a defense fleet for anything you can throw at them. They just haven't called it as a CTA yet as they don't need to, since they made the treaty specifically to avoid it.

RvB are fully capable of making their own decisions. I think it's pretty insulting for you guys to stand from the outside and tell RvB what their benefits are. The main benefit of the treaty is that it meant RvB has no sizable opposition to holding their POCOs. If they'd had to fight goons over the POCOs, they wouldn't have been able to snatch up the hundreds they have. If RvB thought the treaty was unfair, they'd drop it or renegotiate.

OK, rephrased, do you think your goal is achievable with the current leadership and strategic planning (or lack thereof)?

I might take that at face value, except that (a) normal people don't play EVE, and (2) many, if not most, who do play EVE don't play it "for fun".

A)
2) My experience tells me otherwise, yet that is something impossible to prove from any point of view. All in all, games are here to provide entertainment, not to be a second job and that is the point.

The problem is that nobody clearly understands what is your objective.

The best objective I could decipher from you is 'we are going to claim any outcome is exactly as intended and that it was, in fact, our true secret objective since the beginning'.

Sure, the goons formed up late. It's not exactly a common experience and most of the guys doing it had been deployed to war for months, so it's not a surprise. But the Marmites are the stronger side of your force. So your lack of impact surely can't be down to the lemmings not forming up.

Lol, yeah, you guys just happened t ochoose that time to call it op success and leave. Bull. I was there in system watching it all unfold, even prior to the goons turning up. Tora bolted giving the order to retreat while already in warp the moment the goons showed up. Are you seriously trying to claim now that all along their plan was to destroy a single POCO, and you all left because that was the end of the op? Right where you want us yeah? All part of the puppetmasta plan?

RvB like to fight, but that doesn't mean they want to go into endless structure wars with an enemy knows for the types of tactics that goons are. When the POCOs were released, both goons and RvB knew that each other would be the main opposition, so rather than get into fights between them, leaving themselves weaker to attack from other people, they would work together for a monopoly. Sure RvB would be more likely to need to fight since they live in high sec, but then they got the bigger share of the spoils. Now they get fights with non-goons on their own turf, and know that their structures stand little real threat of being taken. Sounds like win-win to me. I don't think they much care what people think of them making a deal with goons. It's not the first and probably not the last deal they make with them. I can't see them collapsing to the ground crying "random highsec carebears are posting blogposts calling us pets. Waah. Life is not worth living!".

I can believe that you think that, sure. Of course I disagree with that conclusion, but you are welcome to think what you want. Time will inevitably show us the answer. In truth, I don't think most of Marmite even believe it, it's just a nice easy way to get some wars paid for a while. Honestly though, will it be worth it long term? RvB haven't even seriously formed up yet, and they have already dented your kb efficiency. If after the war, the goons decide to go against you properly, you'll undoubtedly see the same thing happening there too. You've essentially made enemies of one of the largest high sec groups and the largest nullsec group, and I think you grossly overestimate your abilities.