Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello gentlemen, ladies. I have another terrible thing to suggest.

Let us imagine a pilot, name him Joe. Joe is a bad person - he is a lowlife scum that preys on the weak and defenseless. He attacks them in their homes and steals their candy, only to pawn the candy in Jita for ludicrous sums of ISK. Of course, you guessed, Joe is a ratter.

He is about to commit another heinous crime - just found a deadspace pocket, is about to warp into it and start slaughtering the residents!

Enter Jane, another pilot. Jane is a good person - she knows how bad has life been for the poor pirates. Flushed out of lowsec by the ever-stomping empire that wanted to wage their war. Attacked by CONCORD-led armies in their own homes. Having found Joe, she comes in guns hot to save the poor rats.

Enter rats, immediately switching fire to Jane's ship, from Joe's who's been merrily slaughtering them so far.

Suggestion is simple:

Make rats not care about ewar as long as it's not used against them. In fact, prioritize the target that last shot them, or is providing remote assistance to said target. The fact that they're actually shooting a ship coming in to help them is rather dumb.

i would say it is realistic the enemy of my enemy is my friend

and after reading one of the books someone comes to think how many millions of people have i killed so far
we capsulers are the worst even a miner kills many pirates a day

I would like that change

Well, now even positive standings with the rat faction equal the same thing.

Even if they were likely to kill both (Makes sense, they're pirates after all) invaders, they will actually prioritize the one that used electronic warfare.

Since points/webs count as ewar, rats will switch to the ship that will point the other - which is naturally what a Jane would do trying to keep Joe from escaping while he's being murdered. Whether or not Jane is going to kill rats remains to be seen. In extreme cases, Jane's ship could be destroyed - allowing Joe to escape, or worse - continue slaughtering the poor pirates.

Being able to align yourself fully with a pirate faction sounds cool actually. FW already does that.

Reasons:

- It's kind of nonsensically funny that rats will switch targets from an imminent threat to a temporary ally, especially given said ally may just warp away afterwards.

- Since mr. Joe is likely to be shooting ms. Jane/trying to break free, pirates are effectively helping out the guy that's been murdering them so far. "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" as Zerlestes says, when you're getting murdered by a bad guy and a chancer swoops by to kill him - kind of wise to help the guy. Maybe he'll actually be on his way.

- Gameplay-wise, it had an impact on usefulness of certain ships.

- Players willing to align themselves with one of the NPC pirate factions (and CCP sort of gave the offer during the "Covert base raid" live event. There were players who sided with the pirates and helped kill empire folks.) are still being attacked by their ships, regardless of their intentions.

Basically Jane is complaining that it's too hard to actually fit tank, and wants to be able to fit just to kill Joe, while Joe has to try and fit to fight both rats & Jane.
So yea.... lets make Jane's already significant advantage once a fight starts even bigger.

If it was viable to do pve in pvp-fit ships, then i could support this. As it is, it just sounds like a whine about ratters being too hard to kill, which is frankly not very compelling.

because they just didnt switch targets....now they think:

'should i continue to try and kill the guy with the tough tank despite my best efforts over the past half hour? or should i kill the squishy target that just warped in and then continue killing as normal?'

tacklers get primaried in many PvP cases. get used to it,

so whats the problem?

when pirates interfere with faction warfare, both sides often team up against the pirates.

so when a pirate interferes with a ratter vs rat fight, they both target the pirate. seems the AI is mimicking human behavior

ur not helping them, ur helping urself.

not everyone goes for the shiniest kill. there are different reasons to prioritise one target over another. ur the only one with point, so ur the only one that can prevent warp outs. ur the threat. the fact that rats dnt warp out is simply because they are AI...something u seem to want to ignore.

the AI is the way it is because it was deemed better than rats that never switched targets. which it is. im sure u can adapt, like u've already proposed. and just wanting ur kills to be easier doesnt justify changing the AI all over again.

I really hate those NPCs. Found a FW Tengu Missioning, shooting Caldari BS.
Now comes a Caldari Militia Frig group of 3 people. Tackling the Tengu, helping their fellow Caldari friends.

Result: Every single NPC starts shooting the frigates, none of them remain on the tengu.

Seriously wtf?


Why should rats swap target to someone that's helping them? If you warp in a frigate vs Pirate Rats. Okay, they might see it as the easier prey. Maybe you are so hated by them for killing a lot of them in your past that they swap to you.
Infact let standings be an issue there too.

But for the love of god, don't make caldari NPCs agress Caldari Militia in FW Space. That's just insane.