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EWAR vs Sleepers
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Verisimilidude 001
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-02-19 01:23:02 UTC
What's the most effective EWAR to use against Sleepers?

Two RSDs will lower their targeting range by 65%. What range will that force the Battleships to?

Two TDs will lower their optimal range by 71%. What range will that force the Battleships to?

I've been using Multispectrum Jammers but it doesn't seem like they're very effective against the Sleepers. Trying to find something better :)

Thanks in advance!
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#2 - 2014-02-19 01:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Ewar against them is mostly a waste of time - most of the higher end sleeper BS have optimal ranges in the 100-200km range and don't think they have a targetting range quite the same as players on paper they have a 330km "attack range".

Jamming is viable within reason but don't use multispectrum - any racial jammer is effective against them and all racial ones more effective than multispectrum.

Problem is though often you can only use ewar against a limited number of the sleepers leaving the rest to do whatever they want which might work for some stuff but isn't that useful in general.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-19 01:30:04 UTC
Only ewar that does anything to sleepers is ECM and TPs and ECM isnt very useful.
We experimented with damps way back in ccres but we never got them to do anything useful.

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MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-02-19 01:30:11 UTC
RSD's probably do nothing. Especially in light of the recent patch giving them extended (unlimited?) range, I wouldn't count on them to have any effect.

Can't tell you about TD's, but I wouldn't count on them either.

As for jams, I have on good authority that any kind of jams work on sleepers. As such, you should go for any racial option that has a higher value which I believe is all of them.

Most effective EWAR I've found is web/painting. Sometimes jams are used to cover a noctis against a single sleeper. Those are the only conventional uses that I'm aware of, and I believe that is for a valid reason.

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2014-02-19 01:46:21 UTC
A good use of ewar is a brick tanked scorp. if you are new to running the sites and **** hits the fan fire off your ecms and get more expensive stuff out. Sleepers hate on ecm a lot....

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Verisimilidude 001
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-02-19 02:09:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Verisimilidude 001
What is the sensor strength on the different sleeper ships? What's the actual % chance using a racial jammer to lock out a sleeper?

Edit:

Also, do the stacking penalties apply to jammers, RSD, TD etc from multiple vessels or only if it is applied from a single vessel? IE, one ship firing two jammers gets hit with the stacking penalty, but does one jammer fired from two separate vessels get penalties?
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#7 - 2014-02-19 03:18:36 UTC
IIRC they have 30 strength on the BS can't remember the cruiser and frig strengths off the top of my head.
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#8 - 2014-02-19 15:40:21 UTC
you can also use nos to your advantage. It's not quite ewar, but I think it's a useful module for countering sleepers neuts. And I also think a lot of people forget about it.
hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
#9 - 2014-02-19 16:06:50 UTC
Will NOSing/Neuting sleepers reduce their RR abilities?
Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
#10 - 2014-02-19 16:26:40 UTC
doesn't seem to do much, but NOSing will help keep your tank and probably webs up
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-19 21:57:15 UTC
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Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#12 - 2014-02-20 03:10:47 UTC
ECM drones are op against sleeper bs. Not reliable for shtf but great enough to cut the dps down considerably due to either jamming or pulling agro.