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CCP already sells SP

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#21 - 2014-02-18 23:36:58 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
To be honest multi-character training is a lot more like selling SP than the character bazaar ever was.

But seriously ... given that SP in EVE is created by time spent subbed rather than player effort grinding mission/instances .. all SP in EVE is actually "bought".


*sigh* EVE would be so much more interesting if there was some magical way to enforce 1 account, 1 character per player. But of course, that's not possible. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#22 - 2014-02-18 23:38:56 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
You still get SP that you didn't have to wait for.


A lot of people have trouble distinguishing between players and characters... you appear to be one of them.

Buying characters on the bazaar does not get that character any additional SP it didn't have before. That character trains at the exact same rate as everyone else (potentially), and the choices "it" made in training are set in stone, with all the benefits and repercussions entailed. Your character had to wait for all the SP it currently has.

You acquire the character from another player. It doesn't matter if who manages the character, as the character has the same ability to compete with the rest of us before and after the character trade. Nothing you can do as a player will change the SP a character already has, and nothing you with your isk will alter the potential rate it acquires SP.

Do you understand the difference here?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2014-02-18 23:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Carmen Electra wrote:
While you are technically correct in your statements, you are (needlessly) crafting arguments based on technicalities while merrily ignoring the obvious end results.
The obvious end result is that buying a character is not even remotely the same as — or even related to — selling SP.

If you buy a character, you're picking up a collection of skills that have been accumulated over the regular period of time using all the standard mechanisms and restrictions for building up skills. You're transferring time spent (not entirely unlike PLEX, but in the opposite direction). Also, you're stuck with a completely different character. It doesn't add to your SP — in fact, it probably duplicates large portions. Finally, you only ever get what's on offer. If no-one has bothered to build the skill mix you need and is willing to sell it, you're stuck. You can throw as much ISK at the problem as you like, and nothing will happen. You could order one but it'll take a year or five before it's ready. All in all, the character economy doesn't change one whit; nothing that didn't exist already was added.

This as opposed to the idea of actually selling SP, where you skip over the time required to build skills; where the standard mechanisms and restrictions don't apply; where you don't get stuck with another character; where you simply can't get the kind of duplication a second character generates; and where you get exactly what you want when you want it (and where you want it). Suddenly, the character economy is… oh… pretty much left in ruins overnight and the time-based mechanics meant to regulate it are rendered absolutely pointless. All old characters, and the time spent on them, are in one stroke rendered worthless. New abilities are only limited by how much people are willing to spend (i.e. they're not limited at all).

Oh, and CCP isn't selling any characters. Other players are. Again unlike how it would be if CCP sold SP.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-02-18 23:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Cheekabu Talvanen wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for that…


Player A wants to buy pilot.

Player A does not have the isk.

Player A buys crapload plex

CCP profits

Player A buys pilot.

How is not buying SP?


Because someone put the time into selecting the skills and time into training the SP on the character Player A bought from the character bazaar?

The SP didn't just instantly appear from no where to be allocated.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2014-02-18 23:54:58 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
OP, I think maybe you shoudl lay off the "New Topic" button for the rest of the day.

Tippia wrote:
Cheekabu Talvanen wrote:
How is not buying SP?
No-one gains any SP, and CCP isn't the seller.


Tippia, given that you've made some valuable contributions to the community (I'm using your newbie skill plan for a friend of mine ATM), I hesitate to call you a troll, but you sure are a pedant!

While you are technically correct in your statements, you are (needlessly) crafting arguments based on technicalities while merrily ignoring the obvious end results.

I would argue that you can buy SP. I have purchased two characters off the bazaar and sold one. Yes, no game mechanics were circumvented, but the end result is very similar. The only difference between bazaar and selling SP is that you can't pick the name, race, gender, and exact allocation of skills. You still get SP that you didn't have to wait for.

While I don't sell PLEX to acquire in-game items, I did sell PLEX to get those two characters. Since CCP is quite clear about them retaining ownership of players' characters and the RL cash I spent on those PLEX went straight into CCP's coffers, I think it's hard to argue that CCP isn't selling SP/characters, even if indirectly.



The difference between what you're doing and outright purchase of SP should be obvious - Someone still had to own and train the character for the time it took those skill points to accumulate. The only thing that even vaguely supports your arguement is if I bought a character that was the same age as mine but that had been more optimised towards SP gain during its life, hence having more SP than me for the same age of character. That however falls down when you realise that if I had done the same thing with my origional character I would have exactly the same SP for the time invested, I simply chose not to. So in that example what I end up paying for is the additional optimisation, which has a side effect of giving me more SP, rather than paying directly for more SP.

If CCP simply said 'pay us {an amount of money] and instantly add [a number of SP] to your account' that would be selling SP and would rightly be condemned, but they havent done that yet and I doubt they ever will.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#26 - 2014-02-19 00:06:00 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
...


I knew that name was familiar! Remember that one time a bored pilot decided to welp their faction-fitted Bhaalgorn to Shadow Cartel, but not before blapping your Cerberus?

Lol
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-02-19 00:07:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Dust 514 on the other hand is giving out bonus SP to players that log in daily and increases it each day they continusually log in to a limit.
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#28 - 2014-02-19 00:10:22 UTC
mechtech wrote:
Cheekabu Talvanen wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Seeing as how they don't sell SP, you'll probably have to wait a very very long time for that…


Player A wants to buy pilot.

Player A does not have the isk.

Player A buys crapload plex

CCP profits

Player A buys pilot.

How is not buying SP?


Because no net SP was added to the game. CCP is facilitating the exchange of SP between players, essentially enabling SP to become commoditized.

You're not selling SP either, you're selling characters. How the SP is arranged greatly affects the value of the character.


I agree with the above statement ^

OP Get Out LolP

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Meg Lee
BL Corp
#29 - 2014-02-19 00:58:13 UTC
I think you are right and I would not be against CCP allowing us to ACTUALLY buy 30 days worth of SP with a PLEX. Waiting for skills to finish is for the patient and after 8 years I'm still not that patient. :(
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2014-02-19 01:19:45 UTC
OP is either Trolling or Rumormongering.
Both are Rule Violations.

This seems to be a stealth Eve is Dying thread, which is duplicate.

Thish thread has expired. Thank you for your consideration.

ISD Gallifreyan

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