Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Totally give Nestor a covops cloak. It'll mean more carebears will feel that it's safe to go into low/null with it, which in turn means more hilariously failfit Nestor kills.

And we'd totally not abuse this in any way, shape or form.

We just had a senior developer come on here and thank us for our reasoned and thoughtful debate, which I suspect has gone a long way in helping to take what he sees here seriously.

Please do not hijack my thread to launch a vitriolic attack on him. It devalues what is probably the only thread on the forum in which people have undergone the mental rigour required to write sensible, logical posts that the dev team can actually take away and analyse.

The dev team knows that the price of rattlesnakes is low compared to other pirate ships. They know that the Nestor didn't work out as intended. They know that this meme will not go away until the Nestor is fixed to the point that people start buying it.

Once that happens, no matter what I think, the market will dictate its desirability.

Now, it may be that the rattlesnake is no good (or it may be that people just hate shield-tanked short range drone battleships). If you have some well though out, constructive ideas on how to improve the rattler, do please create a thread and propose them.

If the ideas are well presented, backed with data and defensible you stand a good chance of influencing the design team. These guys are human, and probably struggle for ideas on how to work within the constraints set by a decade-old combat engine.

I actually think that the rattlesnake is an excellent ship. Tough as old boots. I think it's just that right now the short range shield brawl battleship doctrine is out of favour. People are using long range sentries and armour. The dominix does it better for the moment.

Perhaps the rattlesnake could use a range bonus, or maybe an extreme drone speed bonus, an ECM bonus (OMG??) Who knows? Let's open a new thread and work it through. Calmly, thoughtfully, respectfully.

You'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Nestor needs some touching with , Im sure changing the price wont make much of a difference to increase its useage.

I hope dev team can add cov ops cloak or drone tracking bonus like dominix.
Part of me would like both drone track bonus + cov ops cloak but that would prob put it in blatantly op land even for a pirate battleship.

It feels like whatever ccp does its gonna be hard to satifisty eveyone with the Nestor.

I wouldn't mind the Nestor getting additional drone bonuses instead of the laser optimal, but I cringe at the thought of it becoming another, more expensive, domi.

They could give it bonuses to drone velocity and tracking, at the cost of drone optimal, to make meds/heavies more appealing while making sentries less effective. Just to shake things up.

Funny thing is, the other day I was thinking about ship mechanics and how it might be interesting to have a BC size bruiser which had bonuses to ECM Burst, and was immune to Ewar effects, to rush into enemy formations and cause havoc. Devastating at close range but extremely vulnerable to sniping.

Completely off topic, just been awhile since I've seen ECM burst mentioned anywhere.

ECM Burst bonus (caldari BS),
Defender missile bonus, (caldari BS)
RR bonus (armarr BS),
Repair drone bonus (gallente BS),
ECM drone bonus (gallente BS),
Tracking disruptor bonus (amarr BS),
MJD cooldown bonus (minmatar BS).
10% decrease in agility, 10% increase in max velocity per level (of something) (minmatar BS).

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I always thought It would have been awesome if the Nestor could use 3 bomb launchers and a covert cloak. That would have really mixed things up!

I wish that CCP didn't feel the need to make it "do all the things" like the gnosis because it just ends underperformance in every role. As the ship is already in game, it would be strange for CCP to totally redesign the ship so soon. So I'm not very hopeful that we will see the nesissary changes needed...

If I were given the job to redisign the ship to make it more disirable to players while keeping it ballanced, i would do three things:

1. Remove all turret slots and turret related bonuses
2. Increase capacitor generation by 20%
3. Add the ability to fit a covert ops cloak

My reasoning for removing the turrets would be to keep the dps of a covert ops Nestor in line with current cloaky ships. The increase in cap is the free up a mid slot from having to be used for a capacitor generating mod.

A ship like this would be batter able to fill the logistics and exploration role it is intended for.

Amen brother

CCP always dictated the price of the nestor by keeping sisters probes and launchers at sisters, and then adding the only pirate quality faction cruiser in highsec to their LP.

ie their hand is all over the current price, and yes, logically they should fix it, just as they have fixed abusable economic features throughout the history of this game.

Also the drone regions are terrible, and need the buff, sisters LP is overpriced and needs the nerf.

Whilst the rattlesnake is currently worse than the dominix (IMO thats why I use a dominix to rat guristas), its also historically the most overfarmed npc race in the game, some that I was also aware of, when I moved to gurista space, and started pulling rattlesnake bpcs, which is why I don't need to berate the developers over perfectly reasonable decisions.

As and when they rebalance pirate ships, I expect the rattlesnake to be more liked, but to not fundamentally change price (due to historic and current overfarming, which I'm a part of, so can't complain about).

The problem is not the money but the simple fact that you wantet to create some sort of "Jack of all trades" ship that even excells the Dominix in that regard without realizing, that for everything woth more than the dirt under your toes people are looking for soecialized ships.

No one in his right mind would field a 500m Logistic when he can have the same effect for half the price.
No one would field a 500m shiny drone boat because we already have one realy good one for less than 25% of the money.
No one would go for some half decent Neut fitting because when you go neut you go full neut, half decent isnt even remotely useable.

What did you want to happen? People beeing happy about a ship, that can do everything but nothing realy good?



My personal problem with this ship is also the way it was implementet. You got heavy fire from every side for this concept without purpose or direction there was a thread with more posts in it than some forum sections have combined but still, you did throw out the ship as it was with boni that did not help eachother, a slottlayout that simply screamed "Kill me" (try to fit a propper buffertank and you will see) and some explanations about "Its superlight so it can go in WH space" without realizing, that no one gave a crap because no matter how light it is, without propper Damage it is useless.

But you cant simply create a new "DPS monster of the week", yet you tried to make it a viable option to other faction battleships in terms of DPS. Do you even have an idea of what kind of competition we are talking about? Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator are the most brutal ships out there when it comes to doing some damage, the Bhaalgorn is one of the best Neut ships and the rattlesnake has at least a weaponsystem that does not kill its cap, has good damage projection and a slotlayout to boost all of this. (and it is still far behind even some normal BS)



The issue is not the ammount of money you have to pay, yes the voices would be smaller but aside from some realy strange dudes no one would fly this thing. Because the core problem are not the isk or lp, its the ship itself and sadly you just cant change a bit here and there, you have to start from scratch and first find a role for this thing.


One little tip: Dont try to go for Damage, we have more than enough damage based ships and just because a Drone + Laser ships is missing (so is Projectile + Drones) does not mean we need a Drone + Laser ship. How about you scratch drones and laser and any weapon at all, then try to find a purpose that goes beyond "well... it can scan... and rep... and it is lightweight" and than, as one of the last steps, start thinking about weapons.

Maybe it will become a ship that doesnt need some at all.


EDIT: @ Thread: I dont think the Nestor needs a cov ops cloack. It would be a neat gimmick but not solve the problem.