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Revelation for C5 Escalations
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dan skirata
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-02-18 13:37:17 UTC
So this is a serious question. I know more people use Moros' (or maybe I'm completely wrong), but this character is trained for Amarr so I will be training him towards a Revelation. Do any of you guys have a fit for the Revelation? And also, for you guys whose corps do escalations, is the T2 Siege Mod a Requirement or do you let people run with the T1 Siege mod?

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D3m0n sam
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-02-18 13:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: D3m0n sam
You can run with a t1 Siege Rev, T2 makes it go quicker. (not a requirement but corps may differ)

As for fits you need several.

Tracking Fit Tracking & Damage mods (Apart from two lows which contain an eanm and repper (Extra eanm just incase for refit)) Possibly one or two sebos.

You want active resistances each hardener

Full set of bulkheads

Warp Stabs

And well set of Cap Recharges & Capacitor Power Relays

Not sure if I have missed anything
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#3 - 2014-02-18 14:17:13 UTC
I like having 4 Large Cap Boosters plus Navy 800s as a refit. If I am neuted dry I can pulse them and still cycle my rep. I have not had any use of them yet, but I think it is a good option for 'what if.'

And don't forget your drugs! Exile for Rep Power.. Mindflood for Capacitor.. Drop for Tracking..
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-02-18 18:25:23 UTC
Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:
I like having 4 Large Cap Boosters plus Navy 800s as a refit. If I am neuted dry I can pulse them and still cycle my rep. I have not had any use of them yet, but I think it is a good option for 'what if.'

And don't forget your drugs! Exile for Rep Power.. Mindflood for Capacitor.. Drop for Tracking..



If you get neuted dry, you did something wrong. You always refit to cap fit at 40%.

As a Rev pilot, t2 siege is really important to bridge the gap between so-so dps and good dps.

Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/
D3m0n sam
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-18 20:23:23 UTC
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:
I like having 4 Large Cap Boosters plus Navy 800s as a refit. If I am neuted dry I can pulse them and still cycle my rep. I have not had any use of them yet, but I think it is a good option for 'what if.'

And don't forget your drugs! Exile for Rep Power.. Mindflood for Capacitor.. Drop for Tracking..



If you get neuted dry, you did something wrong. You always refit to cap fit at 40%.

As a Rev pilot, t2 siege is really important to bridge the gap between so-so dps and good dps.



Think he meams more so for pvp if you get dropped.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#6 - 2014-02-18 20:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Cody
-double post- please remove
Justin Cody
War Firm
#7 - 2014-02-18 20:34:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Cody
They are all trolling you:

If you have to fly a rev make sure of a few things: (armor links for sure)

Meta Guns
Meta Local armor rep
T2 Siege (rev is pathetic without it)
Dread skill @ 4

Mids (Fit initially): 2x sensor booster II, 2x Tracking computer II
Lows: C-type energized adaptive nano membrane (pick a flavor) x2
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II x2
Meta Local Rep x1
Capacitor Power Relay II (or faction doesn't matter) x1
Tracking Enhancer II x1
Damage control II x1
Highs: I shouldn't have to tell you

Cargo: mobile depot, fittings you want, mobile tractor unit, 4x cap recharger II, 4x cap booster II's with navy 800's in some large quantity. Spare stront in case sites go extra long. and all kinds of ammo (I use primarily Gamma and Standard but tastes vary)

All else being the same...train a shield moros or nag instead. Currently they are massively better in every way except ammo consumption. My advice is to give up on the revelation...it is actually in worse shape than the phoenix and that is saying a lot.
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-02-18 20:35:59 UTC
Justin Cody wrote:
They are all trolling you:

If you have to fly a rev make sure of a few things:

Meta Guns
Meta Local armor rep
T2 Siege (rev is pathetic without it)
Dread skill @ 4

Mids (Fit initially): 2x sensor booster II, 2x Tracking computer II
Lows: C-type energized adaptive nano membrane (pick a flavor) x2
Imperial Navy Heat Sink II x2
Meta Local Rep x1
Capacitor Power Relay II (or faction doesn't matter) x1
Tracking Enhancer II x1
Damage control II x1
Highs: I shouldn't have to tell you

Cargo: mobile depot, fittings you want, mobile tractor unit, 4x cap recharger II, 4x cap booster II's with navy 800's in some large quantity. Spare stront in case sites go extra long. and all kinds of ammo (I use primarily Gamma and Standard but tastes vary)

All else being the same...train a shield moros or nag instead. Currently they are massively better in every way except ammo consumption. My advice is to give up on the revelation...it is actually in worse shape than the phoenix and that is saying a lot.


Really? I find that, even with my mucked up training, I keep up with the other dreads just fine.

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Justin Cody
War Firm
#9 - 2014-02-18 20:39:59 UTC
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Justin Cody wrote:


stuff I said
.


Really? I find that, even with my mucked up training, I keep up with the other dreads just fine.


Yes you don't come close to the nag or moros (12.5K dps and over 13K dps) respectively. You will at max skills with 3-4 damage mods push 10K or so and that is assuming a crap shield tank instead of armor. If its armor you are looking more like...9400 dps.

Plus the guns take cap.

In general you will do ok...but it is the lowest dpsing dread of the 3x turret based ones.
Calmatt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-02-18 20:40:50 UTC
Every. Single. Dread. Must be dual-rep fit. ALWAYS.
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#11 - 2014-02-18 20:43:10 UTC
D3m0n sam wrote:
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:
I like having 4 Large Cap Boosters plus Navy 800s as a refit. If I am neuted dry I can pulse them and still cycle my rep. I have not had any use of them yet, but I think it is a good option for 'what if.'

And don't forget your drugs! Exile for Rep Power.. Mindflood for Capacitor.. Drop for Tracking..



If you get neuted dry, you did something wrong. You always refit to cap fit at 40%.

As a Rev pilot, t2 siege is really important to bridge the gap between so-so dps and good dps.



Think he meams more so for pvp if you get dropped.


Correct.. obviously try to refit for cap recharge before you get to the dry state but its a good thing to have in case.
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#12 - 2014-02-18 20:49:53 UTC
Justin Cody wrote:
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Justin Cody wrote:


stuff I said
.


Really? I find that, even with my mucked up training, I keep up with the other dreads just fine.


Yes you don't come close to the nag or moros (12.5K dps and over 13K dps) respectively. You will at max skills with 3-4 damage mods push 10K or so and that is assuming a crap shield tank instead of armor. If its armor you are looking more like...9400 dps.

Plus the guns take cap.

In general you will do ok...but it is the lowest dpsing dread of the 3x turret based ones.


Actually the DPS should be over 10k always (assuming max skills obviously) with 8 low slots and the Revelation's already natural strong recharge and Memory Cell Rigs you can get more cap time than the Moros.

The fit I currently run with is..

[Revelation, EscalationRev (10320 DPS)]

3x Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I (Sanshas Multifrequency XL)
Siege Module II

Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
2x Tracking Computer II (Tracking Speed Script)
Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)

Damage Control II
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
2x Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Tracking Enhancer II
3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

3x Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I

8 Minute capacitor time and I have never had to refit to capacitor due to properly pulsing my rep and my massive 109k GJ capacitor buffer.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#13 - 2014-02-18 21:02:33 UTC
The guy asking will not have dread 5 and capital energy turret 5 so he won't see much past 8K dps in his output.

Go nag or moros or go home. It is worth the time to train the others due to CCP being CCP.
Justin Cody
War Firm
#14 - 2014-02-18 21:10:52 UTC
[Moros, Morose]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Sensor Booster II
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I, Guristas Antimatter Charge XL
Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I, Guristas Antimatter Charge XL
Limited Mega Ion Siege Blaster I, Guristas Antimatter Charge XL
Siege Module II

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

13K dps with 33K dps burst tank. More than strong enough to run any c5 site. Yeah the invulns are expensive and if you intend on also using the same dread to fight...upgrade to a-types and refit to 2x pith a-type boost amps and a full set of triage/siege hard-wiring implants and don't forget your blue pill!
Justin Cody
War Firm
#15 - 2014-02-18 21:17:13 UTC
[Naglfar, Baller]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System

Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
6x2500mm Heavy Gallium Repeating Cannon, Arch Angel EMP XL
Siege Module II

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Implants are needed to fit (genolution set)

kicks like a mule and gets up to a 77K dps burst tank not including links. BTW always have links.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-02-18 22:30:06 UTC
Yeah, so the OP is asking about PVE fits, put your PVP fits back in your pants.

The Revelation is actually just fine for PVE. No it's not as good as a Moros but it's more of less on par with the Naglfar.
(Refer to the comparison graph found in this blog post: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/jacks-guide-to-running-sleeper-sites.html)
It's also by far the easiest dread to use since it has excellent capacitor and never needs to refit in a site.

I've used a Revelation for site running for a long time and while I have moved it to a second dread role since my Moros pilot's skills have gotten up to speed, It's still plenty viable.

Here's the fit I use:

Quote:
[Revelation, C5 PVE - DPS]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Siege Module II
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I


CCCs do work too but mem cells are far superior.

You may need to refit it in site a bit until you get the hang of cap managing it but it is very capable of running sites without refitting with a fully skilled pilot.

Obviously, never run escalations without boosts and you should have all the viable refitting mods in cargo even if you don't use them.

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dan skirata
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-02-19 00:12:53 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Yeah, so the OP is asking about PVE fits, put your PVP fits back in your pants.

The Revelation is actually just fine for PVE. No it's not as good as a Moros but it's more of less on par with the Naglfar.
(Refer to the comparison graph found in this blog post: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/jacks-guide-to-running-sleeper-sites.html)
It's also by far the easiest dread to use since it has excellent capacitor and never needs to refit in a site.

I've used a Revelation for site running for a long time and while I have moved it to a second dread role since my Moros pilot's skills have gotten up to speed, It's still plenty viable.

Here's the fit I use:

Quote:
[Revelation, C5 PVE - DPS]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Siege Module II
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I


CCCs do work too but mem cells are far superior.

You may need to refit it in site a bit until you get the hang of cap managing it but it is very capable of running sites without refitting with a fully skilled pilot.

Obviously, never run escalations without boosts and you should have all the viable refitting mods in cargo even if you don't use them.


Thanks Jack. My corp may or may not be doing C5 escalations in the coming months, and the extra 2 months for Gallente BS V and Large Hybrid V (I have no Gallente or Hybrid skills) does not sound worth it on this character at least. If we don't do it, I may try and join SkyFighters around then.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-02-19 01:32:22 UTC
you dont actually need BS 5 for dreads anymore, crosstraining them is very easy

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dan skirata
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-02-19 01:43:21 UTC
I see, only BS 3. Then I'll still get a Rev first and then train for a Moros after

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-02-19 02:13:42 UTC
dan skirata wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Yeah, so the OP is asking about PVE fits, put your PVP fits back in your pants.

The Revelation is actually just fine for PVE. No it's not as good as a Moros but it's more of less on par with the Naglfar.
(Refer to the comparison graph found in this blog post: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/jacks-guide-to-running-sleeper-sites.html)
It's also by far the easiest dread to use since it has excellent capacitor and never needs to refit in a site.

I've used a Revelation for site running for a long time and while I have moved it to a second dread role since my Moros pilot's skills have gotten up to speed, It's still plenty viable.

Here's the fit I use:

Quote:
[Revelation, C5 PVE - DPS]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Siege Module II
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Modal Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I


CCCs do work too but mem cells are far superior.

You may need to refit it in site a bit until you get the hang of cap managing it but it is very capable of running sites without refitting with a fully skilled pilot.

Obviously, never run escalations without boosts and you should have all the viable refitting mods in cargo even if you don't use them.


Thanks Jack. My corp may or may not be doing C5 escalations in the coming months, and the extra 2 months for Gallente BS V and Large Hybrid V (I have no Gallente or Hybrid skills) does not sound worth it on this character at least. If we don't do it, I may try and join SkyFighters around then.

You may want to train Cap shield skills and T2. Sentries if you're looking to apply :P

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