Wormholes

Yes, you do not understand. First, you keep on claiming that c6 systems are the end game of w-space when they are not, they are not even the most popular class. Yes, they net the most ISK but a lot of groups perefer c5s because of the amount of null sec exits those systems provide. So no thank you, we and many other people are not interested in fighting over a handful of C6s systems (especially ones with awful statics like c4/c3/c2/c1).

Second, you are under a mistaken impression that all groups/corps/alliances are on growth track. That eventually they will outgrow their own system and need to move into a higher class w-space system. You are wrong, some groups prefer to stay in lower class w-space, some groups don't want to grow beyond 5-6 active players. It is their choice how to expand and how to move, thus it is their choice if they chose not to expand their operation and stay put in lower class systems.

Third, you are under an assumption that w-space needs a conflict driver of some sort. Especially in high class w-space. You are wrong yet again, the main conflict driver in eve is to shoot someone, second biggest conflict driver is collection of tears. There are many others but fighting over systems is a conflict driver for null sec, not w-space. Fighting for systems that are inherently better is a cause for creating larger and larger alliances and coalition, something that might be fine in null sec, but a disaster for w-space.

Lastly, you are mistaken in that w-space needs something NEW to provide to pilots. We do not need to have anything new, w-space IS NEW for pilots who are just entering it and learning it. There are already plenty of mechanics that make life in w-space complicated, adding a new class of w-space systems is not going to attract new players. Instead we need to address the current issues in w-space, address them in such a way that the complexity of the system is not reduced but the tedium is limited or eliminated. For that we need something similar to the following changes:


- Fix POS management. Its awful, POSes need individual managers. Corp Hangars need to have separate tabs for various individuals. CCP already announced their preffered solution and has been "working" on it for a year now.

-Fix Black Holes. Literally the ghetto of w-space, no one wants to live there and the people that do don't know any better. There has been many different proposals for this.

-Change c4s, currently these function like the DMV of eve. Once you get stuck in one, be ready to spend hours working through the chain of insanity and grief. They need to be changed, multiple statics to w-space, make them into superhighway of w-space.

-Remove auto scan, you should not even know about any new sig or their approximate position without dropping probes.

You make those changes and there will be more people in w-space and more people means more conflict drivers.

Haha.

I like how Bane seems to think that lower class wormholes need changes. He acts like they don't make enough isk when in reality they make more than enough. In terms of risk/reward, C4 and below are significantly better than C5 and C6 for the following reasons:

You don't run sites with dreads in siege giving you a static 5 minute timer in which you will die if dropped without a support fleet.
You don't have to run sites in a huge group to be safe aganist ganking (huge group means low isk/hr/pilot)
You don't have to worry about getting evicted (because really who cares enough to bring in a 50 man gang to take an hour to kill a caldari large hardened out the ******* in a C2).

And yet somehow they need a buff?

This baffles me. It's not like people are stuck to lower class wormholes, they can go to C5's/C6's if they want, but many don't because they suck and can't handle it. That's the way it should be.

The only fix that needs to be applied to w-space is to remove all moons from C4 and above, and only allow small POS's in C3 and below. I would also increase the mass limits on wormholes by 100-200%. Wormholes should be the frontier, not just another stupid system for an alliance to live in. This is why people want new wormhole classes/systems, because they want w-space to feel like the frontier again. Too bad it's extremely unlikely that this will ever happen, but one can hope.

At this point Wh's should not be adding any further content. **** IS BROKEN. Pos's, Black Holes and the ALL MIGHTY BEARS.

My personal idea would to be fix existing problems before adding more content that can be broken or taken advantage of.

HOWEVER,!!!!! Do wh's get a lil boring after a while? yes!.

Would it be nice to have new **** that we can all explore and mess around with? YES!.

A new class wh would be exciting if only for a short while. Having random sleepers every where could present a challenge in some certin instances (ur in ur badger with 50 bill in sleeper loot warping to a hole lol :P) More escalations would be interesting as well, if only for a short while. lets be honest no one likes doing escalations. id rather punch babies.

i think wh's do need to be spiced up. and id like to see changes. likely not gonna happen

you are BAFFLEING ME. please stop the retardation

Posting to confirm that Gnaws personal opinion is actually fact and that his version of what's right and wrong for wormhole space applies to every individual in the WH community.

Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us. I'm sure that once black holes are fixed, everyone will finally be content. I mean, who need a conflict driver when the reason to shoot stuff is because you can shoot stuff, right?!

I'ld like to just say that my suggestion of this was never intended to mean more farming and more isk.. though that would be an obvious part of it now that I look at it sober.. When i originally suggested it my thought was to make pve and the ability to live in a wormhole like this much much more difficult. It's obvious it would just turn into an isk printer once everything got sorted.. but just know that wasn't my original intention.

Lower class wormholes need a good throttling to get a few things sorted out, and yes black holes are terrible pieces of space that need a revamping. I'm not sure there are very many people out there who appreciate a black hole wormhole and would be sad about seeing that waste of space converted into something useful for pvp. And good lord we all know C4's need a massive fix of some kind. I liked Bane's earlier suggestions on how to fix lower class holes and agree with them.

Pos mechanics are a cursed ***** that I personally don't think CCP will ever touch. In my mind I wouldn't want to be the programmer who writes up a fix for POSs and when the patch for them goes live the next day everyone wakes up to offlined broken towers across New Eden. I personally think that they are scared of fixing POS mechanics.. if not CCP.. prove me wrong.. FIX THEM!

Either way it's easy to see that there are a lot of fixes desired in wh space before throwing another variable into the mix.

POS will not be "revamped". They will be replaced. Why do you think mobile structures were introduced? We are seeing the development of a new POS system that will eventually replace the old. Down the line, all CCP will have to do is delete the POS code instead of a revamp.

I think a POS revamp is the only thing we can all agree on hahaha

Did you buy fuel?!?!

Dammit Bane, I logged in last night and there was no k-space.
If I don't get it this afternoon you can blow up my sleipnir