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[BROKEN] Station Services in 0.0

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2014-02-17 14:10:11 UTC
I don't suppose it would be too difficult for you to show where Tippia's intent is to get anyone banned.
Oh wait yeah it would because that isn't his intent.

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Mario Putzo
#62 - 2014-02-17 15:22:11 UTC
Well been going on for over a day now, and still no comment from CCP. Must not be a very high priority issue. Maybe in a few months we can expect some knee jerk reaction.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-02-17 15:27:02 UTC
Jesus Christ you shitlords never stop complaining do you?
Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
#64 - 2014-02-17 15:32:32 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't suppose it would be too difficult for you to show where Tippia's intent is to get anyone banned.
Oh wait yeah it would because that isn't his intent.


Sure seems like it when you read words like Exploit and Blatant in almost every post this thread. I can't believe this 2yr old bug has gotten the attention of the forum elitist this early in its usage...Roll
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-02-17 15:33:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also, you'll have a hard time pushing the exploit angle because (1) you can't tell from within the station if something is reinforced, and (2) when you undock, you have to actually check to see if the station services themselves are reinforced, which is something that is quite easy to miss, especially when grid has a ton of bubbles and other nasty things.

That rather sounds like it's fairly easy to push: not only is it pretty obvious when this situation can arise, you can also trivially check whether or not the service modules are reinforced.

you mean before using repair facility i would need to undock and check service status??? Shocked

(just in case someone incapacitated it in the mean time)

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Mario Putzo
#66 - 2014-02-17 15:33:09 UTC
I think the real problem here is this.

If the station is invulnerable. How can you incap its services?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#67 - 2014-02-17 15:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
I'm sure I could find a quote from Goons saying its not an exploit until CCP says it is, and thus no bans will be handed out.

Nice try though.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2014-02-17 15:40:49 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I think the real problem here is this.

If the station is invulnerable. How can you incap its services?

Why are you offering opinions on game mechanics you clearly don't understand?

First of all people can still use stations and station services when the station is incapacitated.
Second of all the station services exist as separately targetable entities at the same location as the station bracket, so the station itself being invuln has no effect.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2014-02-17 15:41:49 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
I'm sure I could find a quote from Goons saying its not an exploit until CCP says it is, and thus no bans will be handed out.

Nice try though.

Who's asking for bans?
All I see is asking for a fix.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#70 - 2014-02-17 15:44:04 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Tippia wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also, you'll have a hard time pushing the exploit angle because (1) you can't tell from within the station if something is reinforced, and (2) when you undock, you have to actually check to see if the station services themselves are reinforced, which is something that is quite easy to miss, especially when grid has a ton of bubbles and other nasty things.

That rather sounds like it's fairly easy to push: not only is it pretty obvious when this situation can arise, you can also trivially check whether or not the service modules are reinforced.

you mean before using repair facility i would need to undock and check service status??? Shocked

(just in case someone incapacitated it in the mean time)
Don;t be silly. There's just a difference between that, and what they are currently doing which is stating that it's incapped and telling people to use it anyway because it's an old exploit, therefore their abuse of it is mystically allowed.

The argument here is about the intentional use of an exploit, and the fact that CCP need to be made aware and look to fix since it's being used on a large scale. If the roles were reversed and goons were doing it, the community would be up in arms about how much of an exploit it is, calling for Mittani's head on a stick. You know this to be true, or do you think people normally support the use of exploits?

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Mario Putzo
#71 - 2014-02-17 15:44:06 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
I think the real problem here is this.

If the station is invulnerable. How can you incap its services?

Why are you offering opinions on game mechanics you clearly don't understand?

First of all people can still use stations and station services when the station is incapacitated.
Second of all the station services exist as separately targetable entities at the same location as the station bracket, so the station itself being invuln has no effect.


Exactly that is a problem. How can you incap a service offered inside an invulnerable station. Its services shouldn't be impacted until it becomes vulnerable. Then you incap the services.

Makes no sense for anyone to have impact on services inside an invulnerable structure. Real problem is those modules being vulnerable while the station remains invulnerable.
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#72 - 2014-02-17 16:12:05 UTC
Yes it's a bug, or whatever you want to call it mr goon, however there are other bugs and for everyone who doesn't actually give a **** about this bug and your no-life 'hellcamp' (jezus really, tha'ts what you come up with? we're going to spend our week 24/7 playing eve online and waiting outside your station, PWNED NERD)... yea theres other **** on the list, this aint going to get fixed before your nerdcamp is over, get over it Smile
Mario Putzo
#73 - 2014-02-17 16:20:02 UTC
Ryann Padecain wrote:
Yes it's a bug, or whatever you want to call it mr goon, however there are other bugs and for everyone who doesn't actually give a **** about this bug and your no-life 'hellcamp' (jezus really, tha'ts what you come up with? we're going to spend our week 24/7 playing eve online and waiting outside your station, PWNED NERD)... yea theres other **** on the list, this aint going to get fixed before your nerdcamp is over, get over it Smile


No they have brought a very serious issue to light. Station Services should not be capable of being incapped while a station remain invulnerable. Obviously this is the way it is designed to work and should be better reflected in the service modules being invulnerable in space until such a point the station is vulnerable.

I applaud CFC for showing CCP that the modules in space are not actively reflecting the status of station vulnerability and that these modules should be given an invuln timer tied to that of the station.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#74 - 2014-02-17 16:21:47 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
you mean before using repair facility i would need to undock and check service status?
Do you have reason to strongly suspect that they should be long gone by the time you use them? Then yes. Unless you want to be rightfully tagged and punished for exploiting known bugs, that is…

…and you don't want that, do you?
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#75 - 2014-02-17 16:23:34 UTC
yes brought a very serious issue to light, I mean all those people who are currently nerdcamping a system are surely not the only ones who care for this.
Mario Putzo
#76 - 2014-02-17 16:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Tippia wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
you mean before using repair facility i would need to undock and check service status?
Do you have reason to strongly suspect that they should be long gone by the time you use them? Then yes. Unless you want to be rightfully tagged and punished for exploiting known bugs, that is…

…and you don't want that, do you?


See thats the problem obviously the issue is that the modules can be shot in space and don't show as invulnerable. You don't think this is the first time that service modules have been shot in space while services remain active in station do you? Obviously the issue is that the modules in space are not reflecting the invulnerability of the station and its services.

So yes it is a bug, but not an exploit.

CCP simply needs to have those modules correctly show invulnerable while the station is invulnerable. Problem solved.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#77 - 2014-02-17 16:36:49 UTC
Good luck prosecuting/punishing hundreds of people for fitting/repairing their ships in-station when they may or may not have known that they technically should not have been able to.

But yeah, shooting those things is a *****, so it should at least work when you do it.

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-02-17 16:44:31 UTC
Its a feature, until its a problem for GSF.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2014-02-17 16:58:12 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
See thats the problem obviously the issue is that the modules can be shot in space and don't show as invulnerable.
No, that's not a problem since they're not meant to be invulnerable.

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So yes it is a bug, but not an exploit.
Of course it's an exploit, since they keep using services that are meant to be disabled.
Abortion Engine
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
#80 - 2014-02-17 17:01:05 UTC
The last time I logged into this game to spin my ship incapping services worked properly. What changed over the recent years to break this?