Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You would probably just get a lot more jump freighters used and hisec traffic being moved by JF between small losec islands of just one or two systems.

Probably those same lowsec islands that already always have cynos up, the ones that are regularly used by bluesec people to move stuff from high into SOV.

Could be amusing, you might see nullsec alliances getting involved in the hisec carebear freight business.

Challenge people and they will come up with creative solutions. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all. I would love to see this linked in with expanding factional warfare to ALL lowsec, and include pirate FW. You could have the Khanid added as a permanently sovereign empire faction, so you balance with 5 high and 5 null. Having nullsec corridors like the ones you're talking about would be astonishingly wonderful because it would allow permanent profession pirates and solo pvpers the opportunity to navigate the whole of the map without too much difficulty.

A good way of introducing this from a lore perspective would be to have the onset of pirate factional warfare with each of the major empires shoring up their borders, and the breakdown of a non-capsuleer front since certain empires like the caldari and gallente would no longer be able to keep up a "border zone" which is technically a holdover from the days of peace.

The current map mechanics are antiquated and outdated. They need to change. Warzones can be expanded to different regions rather than a single map, and be more of a free-for-all setting with more emphasis on system capturing over LP donation.

As much love as I have for caldari FW, I would love to be a Khanid militia person fighting in low against the blood raider/sansha onslaught; I love the idea of FW players being the soldiers that hold back the tides of war and terror from the simple, sheltered ways of hisec.

Opening ALL lowsec to FW...and having lowsec corridors to separate the empires...now THERE's an interesting idea. :)

How would you even start by implementing it incrementally?

Nothing would really change until you sever the tie completely.

I don't think i'm trying to say what you interpreted. My comment related to JF's is in response to the OPs seeming dismissive attitude towards JF's being capable of picking up the hauling slack when freighters become less useful between trade hubs because they are too expensive and there aren't many of them. That is the part I disagree with. There are tons of them, and they are capable of picking up the hauling load freighters will no longer fulfill. That's the only point I was making. The flow of goods between trade hubs will not be too interrupted.

I agree JF's aren't free to operate, and tope prices could go up, but the cost of burning fuel to move goods will be added into the cost of the goods on the market, so prices of good will also go up. This does not inhibit the flow of goods, the added cost just gets pushed to the end consumer. You can't assume traders will continue to sell things at current prices given an increase in costs. Goods being produced within the high sec empire will be freightered to the trade hub at current prices, and goods not being produced within the high sec empire will be JF'd between empires at an increased cost to the consumer, all else being equal.

One last thing I'd point out though, I think you exaggerate the "enormous" cost of fuel and the "sky rocket" of tope prices in order to JF goods between trade hubs. If JF pilots choose to gate travel as much high sec as possible, jump a small low sec border, and then continue on using high sec gates, unless CCP created some crazy distances between systems, you're talking about a negligible amount of topes to move between hubs. Unless you are envisioning full regions of low sec between empires. I'm just talking like 1-4 systems. If you're only jumping between 1-4 systems, without crossing regions, you're only talking 2-5k topes to move between hubs.

I really hope CCP is not thinking of developing this into the game. Veteran players are not the only players of the game, and newbies want to roam in safety until they are ready to start losing all of their ISKies and start the chain reaction of lose isk, buy more plex, lose isk, buy more plex, lose isk, buy more plex. I say buy more plex because it is too hard to make ISK in game that will cover all of the bills generated from playing PVP. Unless your a veteran player with tons of SP and you buy a shiny ship and never lose it. Now you want to make it even easier for newbies to lose their stuff. Come On... Are You Serious?

Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter.

If new systems were created that provided shortcuts to key systems far better than any current would not force anyone to take them or change any current routes. It would be a choice perhaps not allowing JF to jump across these new routs or into them unless the system they want to jump from/to has been captured by the empire the JF pilot is a part of. To promote player interaction between FW pilots and traders/haulers there should also be a requirement for JF to be given permission by the FW pilots who participated in capturing the system to jump to and from the systems. With the ideas I mentioned earlier this would provide more interaction and strategy in the game without forcing anyone to use this who didn't want to take the risk. There doesn't need to be a ton of these to test it out or make it worth while in my opinion.

Though FW is in low sec, i consider FW it's own space. FW space is always in low sec, but low sec isn't always FW space. Basically, the general low sec is worthless.

As for PI, lowsec is less worthwhile than WH or Null but has as much if not great risk for a lower rate of return. And you still end up coming across POCOs anyways.

My statement still stands, there is nothing in low sec(in and of itself) worth making the trip for.

Beyond massive amounts of isk, what does the high sec incursion community bring to the rest of the eve community?

Only in uncatchable frigs, inties and covert ops ships. Which would be completely pointless. You would end up with 95% of people hanging around Jita and the rest a complete wasteland.