Wormholes

Necro'd again because my like counts keep going up from this thread, despite the haters

d'awww

As a long standing, if less well known member of the WH community....(that means I'm not a forum whore ....you know who you are)


I'm going to go ahead and put this out there, the quality of the WH player base has steadily started to...uhhmmm...slide into the shitter over time. Sure there's BIGGER blobs now days where they didn't used to be as large, I can however remember several times when we'd run into a larger fleet, of say, AHARM. We'd say " hey gais, we can't match that right now, we only have X" They'd go "YA sure bro, we'll match you X that's cool".


It's happened, it still could, the MAIN problem is, WH space is now full of K-spacers who you can't trust.


The WH diplo channel kinda works to that effect still today....but....


Just my opinion.



P.S.-This is my experience from my former home The Laughing Men...who are by the way DEAD

How many posts you whores have total? ...I've gotten 21 in like 5 actual posts....get pwned scrubs.

I just read the 2 most intelligent posts in 4 years. I also totally agree with the OP. But I'll make a sad observation of the state of affair regarding this issue. Although this comprehension is enlightened and true, the application of the conclusion (i.e: try to be fair, honorable, use of self control and promotion of mutual respect) require a set of human faculties and an intelligence of others that only a few have.

Don't get me wrong, but permit me to be clear: humans are not equal. Some have a skill set and a personality that permit them to achieve and behave better than others -even in a video game- because that's the way they are. You and I, and a few others, are ones of these persons. However, you are assuming that everyone has this skill set, mindset, and personality, which is not the case. The day wh entities will stop showing the overwhelming force they can deploy, another one will rise and blob again to achieve supremacy on others. And then, what will happen? Do these wh entities will unite and use the very same tactic they despised? Like Goon became what BoB was? Are wh entities willing to look weak for the sake of good faith and good fights? Does a wh entity want to have the reputation of being " honorable " when they know they put themselves at risk of being stomped if they don't have the KB to impose respect and fear? That was the whole point of the Cold War as it is in almost every conflict in EVE. Sure, it would be a lot more enjoyable if everyone would apply such « code » of conduct, but there would always be someone somewhere to **** you up on the first occasion because of " lololol e-honor in a spaceship game ".

However, I'm not that kind of pessimist person, and I know for sure that the wh community is far better than any other one in New Eden for this very simple reason : we aren't big enough to not care of each other.

Then just do what you know is right Rall, join the darkside and quit playing hard to get. the cocktease is too much. last resort we'll just have to invade that shiny c5-c5 lol

Did someone say whoring on cap kills?

I will completely echo what Benjamin said, once you have a real fight against a equal foe then nothing else compares. This is why Sky will do arranged fights against other groups we know and respect. To me there is no huge blue list in W Space. If we bumped into Kill, SSC, HK, or any of the other groups we were blue with last week to shoot SYJ then we would fight.

A few days ago Kill rolled into us during our off time and then agreed to fight in smaller ships with equal numbers. They won that fight and props to them for that. If they had sat on the wormhole in their tech 3 fleet chest beating and asking for our 6 or 7 guys to fight they wouldn't have gotten it and no one would have had any fun. Last night we fought a C6 group called Oath of the Forsaken. Initially we thought they had better numbers than they did so we jumped in 15 tech 3s with logi support into the their hole waiting for them to come at us. We had ganked a few of their site runners earlier and expected them to drop tech 3s and caps on us. After having a convo with them we realized they had 6 guys so we agreed to fight in static in non tech3s with no logi. I could have easily told my guys to blob the hell out of them as I had 25 in fleet but we fought 6 v 6 and it was awesome. Both sides were happy with the outcome and mutual respect was gained by both.

It all comes down to how you want to play the game. Not all groups play the way you think it should be played Tyrant nor do all groups play the way we think they should. I think you will find that the larger groups will usually try and match whoever they are facing as they don't want to sit and pos spin. That is why its a sandbox and everyone gets to play the way they want too.

Confirming that Jill's group, while limited on numbers, will still fight and be good sports about. +1 from me!

I'm not saying we haven't, because we have definitely ganked some people the last few weeks (mostly site runners or blops into null), but we've also shipped down to fight whenever asked (we always keep our word on honor fights).

I went through our last week or two on the KB and I did not see an encounter with your group, can you tell me to what you are referring?

We did slam a t3 fleet into a kitchen sink fleet two nights ago, but, tbh, we literally had no idea what all we were going after and we wanted to respond before they left. They had some high dps ships, so I called for T3s and guardians, because without knowing what numbers they could field, well.... In the end they broke and ran, but we nailed a fleet cane in exchange for the hauler alt they killed and podded (the hauler gank provoked our response, if its the incident I'm thinking of).

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I think Key Dett has probably captured the point of view I was ultimately going for: if you have a fight, don't always use overwhelming force. Be willing to be gentlemen and ship down. Its really hard to tell guys "yeah, we're tackling X, you can't come," though most of the things we've done that with lately have been nice things.

Keep in mind, even since writing that original post, my own views have been evolving as End-of-Line setup in a C5/C5 and we started going through all sorts of holes and k-space exits. To sum it up:

-If its a straight up gank on site runners, we simply gank
-If its an unknown situation we're going into, we bring full force
-If convo'd and asked to go down, we generally will, but we'll bail and never do it again if someone breaks the agreement.

That seems to be the general rule our FCs are abiding by now. Again, a corporation is an organic entity, much like a sentient colony of bacteria, with each cell having a mind of its own but all working together in harmony--I have views the corp generally follows, but I can't guarantee it always plays out that way because I am not always on. My guys generally do what I say though--except when it comes to PVE. I can't seem to make some people understand that, if you can't fund your habits with PLEX from real life, you have to PVE in order to blow it up, but that's an internal issue. :P

My guys are bloodthirsty and I like it.