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EVE Monument: A question from Serenity players,wish an official answer

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Lucy tzung
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-02-17 03:00:25 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Serenity character names will be included on the monument.

With regards to name filtering, yes, we've thought about it. This was one of the first things that came up when we decided we were going to put player names on the monument.

We have a taskforce in Reykjavik, and a group from Tiancity, who will be filtering the names before they're submitted for inclusion on the monument.

Anything deemed inappropriate will not be included.

Smile

Will tranquillity players get a name change service for this?
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#42 - 2014-02-17 08:39:57 UTC
With a name etched that means nothing to me other than an end to a means, the Monument will be as empty and as relevant as that B-of-the-Bang monstrosity come monument that was erected outside the Emptihad stadium built in Manchester for the 2002 Commonwealth games. Later pulled down and scrapped. Millions of pounds £ wasted.

If you are going to do it, as indeed you say you are CCP, then please do it properly, lets not have an empty gesture that means nothing too so many when it could mean so much too people that actually do care.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Ai Shun
#43 - 2014-02-17 08:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Faenir Antollare wrote:
With a name etched that means nothing to me other than an end to a means, the Monument will be as empty and as relevant as that B-of-the-Bang monstrosity come monument that was erected outside the Emptihad stadium built in Manchester for the 2002 Commonwealth games. Later pulled down and scrapped. Millions of pounds £ wasted.


Create shell account and transfer undesirable character to it?

Yes, it's going to cost you money, but if it is that important to you why wouldn't you?

From my perspective, I chose the name I wanted when I created my character. I'm not convinced CCP should spend time, money and energy on checking with every player what character they want included and making it so.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#44 - 2014-02-17 09:05:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Faenir Antollare
Ai Shun wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
With a name etched that means nothing to me other than an end to a means, the Monument will be as empty and as relevant as that B-of-the-Bang monstrosity come monument that was erected outside the Emptihad stadium built in Manchester for the 2002 Commonwealth games. Later pulled down and scrapped. Millions of pounds £ wasted.


Create shell account and transfer undesirable character to it?

Yes, it's going to cost you money, but if it is that important to you why wouldn't you?



Well, I already pay a yearly subscription on/for two accounts, the only two I am interested in, so.. I do feel that I pay enough in hard cash for the privilege of having a name recorded for posterity that actually means something to me that is to be immortalized within the in-game lore forever rather than a temp project, that is really somebody else's puppie representing me in-game for all eternity.


Edit..Missed your Edit, I mean that I dont want a bought/paid for char, from the char bazaar, to represent me over a char that I have actually created myself for the purpose of being my actual identifiable char.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Ai Shun
#45 - 2014-02-17 09:19:31 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
Well, I already pay a yearly subscription on/for two accounts, the only two I am interested in, so.. I do feel that I pay enough in hard cash for the privilege of having a name recorded for posterity that actually means something to me that is to be immortalized within the in-game lore forever rather than a temp project, that is really somebody else's puppie representing me in-game for all eternity.

Edit..Missed your Edit, I mean that I dont want a bought/paid for char, from the char bazaar, to represent me over a char that I have actually created myself for the purpose of being my actual identifiable char.


Sure, I understood your motivation and reasoning the first time. I guess I just don't agree that CCP should spend their time and money to please you for something that really only has meaning to you and which is within your power to resolve. I'd wager the cost to you is far lower than the cost to them.

Granted though, they could help more people by doing one thing. But then, they could also be making more money to help fund EVE development. And really, is the cost of an account + transfer (Potentially twice) really that onerous when you can get the name you want on a monument in Iceland?
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#46 - 2014-02-17 09:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Faenir Antollare
Ai Shun wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
Well, I already pay a yearly subscription on/for two accounts, the only two I am interested in, so.. I do feel that I pay enough in hard cash for the privilege of having a name recorded for posterity that actually means something to me that is to be immortalized within the in-game lore forever rather than a temp project, that is really somebody else's puppie representing me in-game for all eternity.

Edit..Missed your Edit, I mean that I dont want a bought/paid for char, from the char bazaar, to represent me over a char that I have actually created myself for the purpose of being my actual identifiable char.


Sure, I understood your motivation and reasoning the first time. I guess I just don't agree that CCP should spend their time and money to please you for something that really only has meaning to you and which is within your power to resolve. I'd wager the cost to you is far lower than the cost to them.

Granted though, they could help more people by doing one thing. But then, they could also be making more money to help fund EVE development. And really, is the cost of an account + transfer (Potentially twice) really that onerous when you can get the name you want on a monument in Iceland?




Then my point is that the (said) Monument will just be an empty and shallow aspect of game Lore,
It could genuinly be so much more, something that even approaches CCP's goals, if such is to be built (as a Stonemason) I would respectively suggest that the Monument should be meaningful to those that it pertains to represent and not just a temp project that that subscriber's might have been engaged in at that time.


edit..I do believe the cost would be minimal to CCP as no names have yet been etched, yes time and resources would have to be spent and allocated to such, yet the prize is something more meaningful over an empty gesture.
If "things" are made to last then there should not be shortcuts and cop-outs.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-02-17 09:52:44 UTC
This is a gift by CCP to all of us.

They may listen to our suggestions and inputs, but they are in no way, obligated to oblige by them.

We are stakeholders and not shareholders of CCP and as such, CCP has the right to do whatever they want with the monument.

Once again, this is a gift by CCP to all of us and hence, it is up to CCP to decide what to do and us, the players, should not share any ill-feelings when CCP does not oblige to our "petty requests."

OP made the initial posting over the concerns that several CCP ISDs in China are using this sacred gift by CCP to push Chinese political agenda.

He just wanted to bring lights to potential wrongdoings performed by Chinese ISDs. Once again, you guys can continue to provide inputs as to how the Monument could be sculptured, but CCP is in no way, obligated to oblige by them.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#48 - 2014-02-17 10:08:59 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
This is a gift by CCP to all of us.

They may listen to our suggestions and inputs, but they are in no way, obligated to oblige by them.

We are stakeholders and not shareholders of CCP and as such, CCP has the right to do whatever they want with the monument.

Once again, this is a gift by CCP to all of us and hence, it is up to CCP to decide what to do and us, the players, should not share any ill-feelings when CCP does not oblige to our "petty requests."

OP made the initial posting over the concerns that several CCP ISDs in China are using this sacred gift by CCP to push Chinese political agenda.

He just wanted to bring lights to potential wrongdoings performed by Chinese ISDs. Once again, you guys can continue to provide inputs as to how the Monument could be sculptured, but CCP is in no way, obligated to oblige by them.



If they was indeed (CCP) not obligated to oblige then we would not even have this thread, the thread is merely a catalogue of suggestions if not advice, Whilst i fully understand the OP's point and fully endorse it, one should be able to suggest what one would like/wants in a civil manner and all issues highlighted are genuine concerns regarding a permanent Monument.


not out too bumfook anybody, would just want a permanent symbolic gesture to be "Meaningfull" rather than an empty, and another, B of the Bang, waste of money disaster pushed on to the playerbase because it is a "THING" that can be made to happen.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2014-02-17 10:26:12 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Faenir Antollare wrote:

If they was indeed (CCP) not obligated to oblige then we would not even have this thread, the thread is merely a catalogue of suggestions if not advice, Whilst i fully understand the OP's point and fully endorse it, one should be able to suggest what one would like/wants in a civil manner and all issues highlighted are genuine concerns regarding a permanent Monument.

not out too bumfook anybody, would just want a permanent symbolic gesture to be "Meaningfull" rather than an empty, and another, B of the Bang, waste of money disaster pushed on to the playerbase because it is a "THING" that can be made to happen.


Someone could call this a "waste of money," but once again, CCP is using its residual income to fund this project and "once again," us as stakeholders, can not dictate to CCP whether this should be done or not.

This is same thing as someone who drinks a bottle of Coca-Cola every week, bickering and moaning about the executives of Coca-Cola "wasting money" over the money-losing Coca-Cola museum that they built in Atlanta, Georgia.

CCP wanted to present us with a gift. Who the hell are we to say that this is a waste of money? They could have given out the residual income as dividends to suit CCP employees' pockets, but they are using this extra cashflow to commemorate EVE's achievement and monumentalize us the players, for the first time in MMO history in physical form.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#50 - 2014-02-17 10:38:14 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:

If they was indeed (CCP) not obligated to oblige then we would not even have this thread, the thread is merely a catalogue of suggestions if not advice, Whilst i fully understand the OP's point and fully endorse it, one should be able to suggest what one would like/wants in a civil manner and all issues highlighted are genuine concerns regarding a permanent Monument.

not out too bumfook anybody, would just want a permanent symbolic gesture to be "Meaningfull" rather than an empty, and another, B of the Bang, waste of money disaster pushed on to the playerbase because it is a "THING" that can be made to happen.


Someone could call this a "waste of money," but once again, CCP is using its residual income to fund this project and "once again," us as stakeholders, can not dictate to CCP whether this should be done or not.

This is same thing as someone who drinks a bottle of Coca-Cola every week, bickering and moaning about the executives of Coca-Cola "wasting money" over the money-losing Coca-Cola museum that they built in Atlanta, Georgia.

CCP wanted to present us with a gift. Who the hell are we to say that this is a waste of money? They could have given out the residual income as dividends to suit CCP employees' pockets, but they are using this extra cashflow to commemorate EVE's achievement and monumentalize us the players, for the first time in MMO history in physical form.


I'm saying that the Monument will only be a waste of money/time if said Monument does not actually represent that that it supposed to represent in the first place.
An old saying is that one measures twice and only cuts once. This is true in all trades and CCP should be wary of summat so pernament yet so shallow in significance, I ask what is in it for CCP if a permanent symbolic gesture fails to encapsulate that that what it is was fully intended for ?

I see no point in a Monument that does not represent it`s intentions Shocked


not trolling, just trying to surf the shallow(s)

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2014-02-17 10:47:00 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Faenir Antollare wrote:

I'm saying that the Monument will only be a waste of money/time if said Monument does not actually represent that that it supposed to represent in the first place.
An old saying is that one measures twice and only cuts once. This is true in all trades and CCP should be wary of summat so pernament yet so shallow in significance, I ask what is in it for CCP if a permanent symbolic gesture fails to encapsulate that that what it is was fully intended for ?

I see no point in a Monument that does not represent it`s intentions Shocked


not trolling, just trying to surf the shallow(s)



No one is trolling here.

A monument designed by one of the most innovative artists in Iceland.

A monument to be erected at the birthplace of our beloved EVE Online.

A monument that will be engraved with all of our names.

I don't see how this does not represent its original intention.

It takes more than $10,000 in donation to have your named engraved on a freaken bench in a university campus.

My friend's parents donated $2.5M to have a garden named after their last name in one of the Ivy league institutions.

We are getting our names on a monument that will stand the test of time, for virtually free.

Are we really in the position to dictate CCP on what to do?
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#52 - 2014-02-17 10:51:40 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:

I'm saying that the Monument will only be a waste of money/time if said Monument does not actually represent that that it supposed to represent in the first place.
An old saying is that one measures twice and only cuts once. This is true in all trades and CCP should be wary of summat so pernament yet so shallow in significance, I ask what is in it for CCP if a permanent symbolic gesture fails to encapsulate that that what it is was fully intended for ?

I see no point in a Monument that does not represent it`s intentions Shocked


not trolling, just trying to surf the shallow(s)



No one is trolling here.

A monument designed by one of the most innovative artists in Iceland.

A monument to be erected at the birthplace of our beloved EVE Online.

A monument that will be engraved with all of our names.

I don't see how this does not represent its original intention.

It takes more than $10,000 in donation to have your named engraved on a freaken bench in a university campus.

My friend's parents donated $2.5M to have a garden named after their last name in one of the Ivy league institutions.

We are getting our names on a monument that will stand the test of time, for virtually free.

Are we really in the position to dictate CCP on what to do?



We are not, but we MAY suggest that it is done properly, without the cutting of corners, a Monument is absolutely meaningless unless it actually represents that that it was intended too do. Ask your friends parents.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#53 - 2014-02-17 13:46:51 UTC
You may so suggest. In fact you have done so.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2014-02-17 14:50:34 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:

We are not, but we MAY suggest that it is done properly, without the cutting of corners, a Monument is absolutely meaningless unless it actually represents that that it was intended too do. Ask your friends parents.



Of course we can suggest and we should.

I am just saying, there are some individuals who think CCP is obligated to listen to their inputs. I won't be surprised when I see several folks threatening CCP with "I will unsubscribe if you don't listen to my inputs" as the deadline for the Monument approaches.
Ryann Padecain
Doomheim
#55 - 2014-02-17 15:56:58 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:

We are not, but we MAY suggest that it is done properly, without the cutting of corners, a Monument is absolutely meaningless unless it actually represents that that it was intended too do. Ask your friends parents.



Of course we can suggest and we should.

I am just saying, there are some individuals who think CCP is obligated to listen to their inputs. I won't be surprised when I see several folks threatening CCP with "I will unsubscribe if you don't listen to my inputs" as the deadline for the Monument approaches.

I like you, post more.
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#56 - 2014-02-17 16:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Faenir Antollare
The Antiquarian wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:

We are not, but we MAY suggest that it is done properly, without the cutting of corners, a Monument is absolutely meaningless unless it actually represents that that it was intended too do. Ask your friends parents.



Of course we can suggest and we should.

I am just saying, there are some individuals who think CCP is obligated to listen to their inputs. I won't be surprised when I see several folks threatening CCP with "I will unsubscribe if you don't listen to my inputs" as the deadline for the Monument approaches.



Edit..dem Gremlins again..

I agree fully with what you have had to say^. Would just like to reiterate that if something is worth doing then itis worth doing properly.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-02-17 17:36:37 UTC
You guys are aware that said closure date for who goes on is rushing at us? And the time for unveiling is not that far behind.

Think of it from their side for a moment. Are they to poll every player and ask which name they want on? Or go with something that can be filtered and found digitally?

I know a majority don't care (hell I will bet a majority don't even know) about the monument. Whether they get on or not? Meh.

Highest sp is easily determined and yes it means that some people will have their Titan characters on rather than the characters they think of as their own. They took a shortcut to get ahead in the game with and now they feel slighted. Well, they can create a new acct and transfer or, hell, make a variation of their fav name on a new account.

Answering an early post, there are differences between this monument and the Cola Museum. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to spot the differences.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#58 - 2014-02-18 01:07:56 UTC
It really should be seen as a nice gesture from CCP, to show their appreciation of the players who have made this game their game of choice, a gesture to those who ensure the game continues.

I'm not sure of any other gaming caompany that has gone to the extent of creating something real out of game as a thank you to the players who make this possible and fun.

Cheers,
AA
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#59 - 2014-02-18 13:33:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Faenir Antollare
'Tis not abouts entitlement, it never was.

RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Matt Pilecki
Pilecki Corp
#60 - 2014-02-21 19:48:25 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

Serenity character names will be included on the monument.

With regards to name filtering, yes, we've thought about it. This was one of the first things that came up when we decided we were going to put player names on the monument.

We have a taskforce in Reykjavik, and a group from Tiancity, who will be filtering the names before they're submitted for inclusion on the monument.

Anything deemed inappropriate will not be included.

Smile


When it says your main character name will be selected, how do I know which character is my main?

Thanks in advance! Big smile