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Did CSM 8 do anything?

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Frying Doom
#1 - 2014-02-17 06:54:35 UTC
I stopped following the forums during the whole EvE/Somer Blink fiasco.

During that time the CSM made excuses and hid, and really did not do anything.

I know the minutes were unbelievably late, due to CCP Dolan.

But has CSM8 managed to achieve anything? Is the voting system fixed so people will be able to abstain in the next election?

Were any of last years bugs ironed out?

What else have they managed to do that players have actually seen rather than been told about by CCP?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-02-17 07:38:12 UTC
Nobody is going to vote for you. You contribute about as much as benign cancer. Stop posting.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3 - 2014-02-17 08:16:26 UTC
SMA loot drop bug got fixed.

Also...

Varius Xeral wrote:
Nobody is going to vote for you. You contribute about as much as benign cancer. Stop posting.


^^ this

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-02-17 12:25:11 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
Nobody is going to vote for you. You contribute about as much as benign cancer. Stop posting.

^^ this


Are you kidding me? Everyone on CSM loves Doom's posts. They are one of the few benefits of an otherwise largely thankless job.

Never stop posting, Doom. Never stop posting!

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-17 13:20:41 UTC
Well, did they? Don't leave everyone hanging!

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-02-17 14:02:07 UTC
One guy made a bunch of excuses for the Somer thing and told us to stop complaining on the forums about it. Apart from that I haven't noticed this CSM.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-02-17 22:20:18 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
One guy made a bunch of excuses for the Somer thing and told us to stop complaining on the forums about it. Apart from that I haven't noticed this CSM.


Being the one CSM rep that you noticed all year will rank as one of my proudest accomplishments.



"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2014-02-18 08:32:52 UTC
Ripard wrote a *lot* of blog posts.

Pirate

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
Tronjay the'3rd
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-02-18 16:44:09 UTC
We got crap nerfbat patches besides a few and most notable mechanisc that need fix were not fixed.....AGAIN!

CSM8? ....Who?

兵者，詭道也。故能而示之不能，用而示之不用，近而示之遠，遠而示之近

**Sun Tzu **©
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2014-02-18 18:11:33 UTC
Tronjay the'3rd wrote:
We got crap nerfbat patches besides a few and most notable mechanisc that need fix were not fixed.....AGAIN!

CSM8? ....Who?




The guys who sold out to the goon blob RMT cartel, remember.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-02-18 18:30:50 UTC
csm7 abstains, less than one percent of the vote

including the option is a waste of time
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#12 - 2014-02-18 22:37:39 UTC
I'm looking at the caliber of people running for CSM 9, and I'm thinking that they wouldn't bother if CSM 8 (among others) hadn't shown what could be done.

I mean, what are you asking for, fireworks? Marquee accomplishments? I voted for 14 people to do pretty much what CSM 8 did, got most of them, and was not disappointed.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#13 - 2014-02-19 03:35:58 UTC
Mal and a few others have been great at trolling the forums instead of helping but other than that I haven't seen nothing that affects me as I totally go solo pos bashing for sma loot drops

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Ali Aras
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2014-02-19 03:54:43 UTC
If you solo, do you use Mobile Depots at all? They're very convenient for swapping out probes and cloak for other fits, especially if you want to use wormholes as a sort of galactic fast-travel around gatecamps.

http://warp-to-sun.tumblr.com -- my blog
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-19 13:13:50 UTC
Truthfully, the CSM did a decent job this round - a lot of it not seen in the foreground.

As for "bugs ironed out" and the like - They ask: CCP codes. They can't "tell" CCP what to do, they can only ask but what they have been involved with, within the constraints they have; they did a decent job. (and to be honest - surprisingly so)
Korvin
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
#16 - 2014-02-20 09:53:40 UTC
EVE is still not a free to play and have no imbalanced pay to win stuff...

Yet another year of success in a constant battle of greed vs sanity. Roll

Member of CSM 4&5 ... &8
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#17 - 2014-02-20 14:52:45 UTC
I think your question is fundamentally flawed. The question isn't whether CSM 8 did anything, but has the CSM process in general contributed positively to the development of EVE? Not just CSM 8, but all the prior ones as well.

I'd say no, personally. It's a useful dog and pony show for CCP's PR, but in terms of actually getting anything positive done? Not really outside of very small niche projects.

I have a hard time believing in a process that elects a group of people who can't argue Fozzie out of interceptor nullification when they know that the nature of server ticks would make them uncatchable. Things such as this are basic elements of the game, for developers and CSM members to not understand how game-breakingly bad that change was is a sad testament to the failure of the entity in general. To then have the issue addressed with an effective yet ham-handed nerf to agility was another failure on the CSM as a collective.

CSM 8 would probably like to point to small issues such as the SMA loot drop fixes as an "accomplishment." It's hard to put much value in something whose greatest accomplishment is getting CCP to be slightly less lazy than usual. The fact that the CSM is so powerless to tout this as a "win" for the CSM is a great illustration of how irrelevant and powerless the CSM actually are. Which is nothing personal against this particular CSM grouping, but again, points to the irrelevance of the entire process overall.

Advocates for the CSM process have deluded themselves into believing that the CSM did something about the mess that was Incarna, but in reality, the pay2win controversy surrounding that expansion was addressed by the playerbase rioting and mass unsubbing. CSM just yelled a bit amongst the noise.

Picking on a CSM here or there is just rather petty, the entire process is at best irrelevant.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2014-02-20 16:04:44 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
I think your question is fundamentally flawed. The question isn't whether CSM 8 did anything, but has the CSM process in general contributed positively to the development of EVE? Not just CSM 8, but all the prior ones as well.

I'd say no, personally. It's a useful dog and pony show for CCP's PR, but in terms of actually getting anything positive done? Not really outside of very small niche projects.

I have a hard time believing in a process that elects a group of people who can't argue Fozzie out of interceptor nullification when they know that the nature of server ticks would make them uncatchable. Things such as this are basic elements of the game, for developers and CSM members to not understand how game-breakingly bad that change was is a sad testament to the failure of the entity in general. To then have the issue addressed with an effective yet ham-handed nerf to agility was another failure on the CSM as a collective.

CSM 8 would probably like to point to small issues such as the SMA loot drop fixes as an "accomplishment." It's hard to put much value in something whose greatest accomplishment is getting CCP to be slightly less lazy than usual. The fact that the CSM is so powerless to tout this as a "win" for the CSM is a great illustration of how irrelevant and powerless the CSM actually are. Which is nothing personal against this particular CSM grouping, but again, points to the irrelevance of the entire process overall.

Advocates for the CSM process have deluded themselves into believing that the CSM did something about the mess that was Incarna, but in reality, the pay2win controversy surrounding that expansion was addressed by the playerbase rioting and mass unsubbing. CSM just yelled a bit amongst the noise.

Picking on a CSM here or there is just rather petty, the entire process is at best irrelevant.



Bullshit like this used to really annoy me, but I now find great comfort in the fact that your own dearly protected ignorance will also ensure that you can't have any effect on the CSM process other than persuading people who are as foolish as yourself to stay out of it as well.

For your support, however unintentional, of the CSM process, I sincerely thank you, XavierVE

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2014-02-20 16:06:05 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Mal and a few others have been great at trolling the forums instead of helping but other than that I haven't seen nothing that affects me as I totally go solo pos bashing for sma loot drops


That was an "as well as" not an "instead of".

However, I am grateful for your recognition and kind words.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#20 - 2014-02-20 16:27:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Bullshit like this used to really annoy me, but I now find great comfort in the fact that your own dearly protected ignorance will also ensure that you can't have any effect on the CSM process other than persuading people who are as foolish as yourself to stay out of it as well.

For your support, however unintentional, of the CSM process, I sincerely thank you, XavierVE


Yes, you are certainly too E-Cool for criticism, dear sir.

I suppose I should have said the CSM is ineffective at most everything... save the bloating of internet ego :)
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