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[WIP] Nestor Redux - Capacitor Logistics Battleship
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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#1 - 2014-02-15 18:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
ATTRIBUTES ARE NOT FINAL OR BALANCED YET. PLEASE SUGGEST BETTER BALANCED NUMBERS :)

Intended redux is designed to turn the Nestor into a Capacitor logistics vessel, designed to assist other larger ships such as carriers with capacitor transfer needs. To that end, it has had its mobility nerfed a bit from current form, while recieving very nice bonuses to cap transfers and a heftier armor tank.

It cannot use covert cloaks or bridges, but it now has a velocity bonus when cloaked

The drone damage bonuses have been removed in favor of application bonuses. Drone capacity has stayed the same.


NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote capacitor booster amount
200% bonus to remote capacitor booster range
15% reduction to remote capacitor booster activation cost
25% reduction to remote capacitor booster powergrid requirement
+10 virus strength for relic and data analyzers



Slot layout: 8H, 4M, 7L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 15250 (+3000) PWG, 680 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 8900 / 10500 (+550) / 9900
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate) : 7200 (+1000) / 1144 (+100)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 99 (+7) / .13 (-.05) / 92000000 (+36000000) / 13.97
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 85 / 7
Sensor strength: 25 (+1) Magnetometric
Signature radius: 465
Cargo Capacity: 700

I am horrible at doing the actual numbers of it, but this sounded like an okay place to start. If this is horribly unbalanced with regards to stats, please suggest some replacement stats that are more in line with current pirate battleships.

Katrina Oniseki
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#2 - 2014-02-15 21:16:24 UTC
lose the bonus to cloaked velocity - that's a T2 bonus, no T1 ship should do that, does it really need 50% bonus to PG of cap xfers - maybe 25% is more in line.

wait a minute - you've basically turned this into a tankier domi!

scrap the idea until what you suggest doesn't completely OP another hull type. I don't care that it's pirate, it's not supposed to make the domi obsolete!!

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2014-02-16 20:19:33 UTC
Reverted the Gallente battleship bonus to its current format. Removed cloak bonus and lowered PG bonus to cap transfers. Also added the hacking bonuses back.

Katrina Oniseki
Veritaal
Veri-Tech Tax Haven
#4 - 2014-02-16 21:24:03 UTC
Interesting, I suppose. However, until it drops down from 1.6 billion, I don't see why anyone would use this as opposed to bringing another carrier. Or a logi ship.

I say bring the Nestor in line with the rest of the SOE lineup, and give it its original job. Being the only covert cloaky BS in the game, with a reasonable logi bonus. As it stands now, the only way to bring logi in a covert ops gang, is to have the recons/blops bring repair drones.
KiithSoban
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2014-02-16 22:26:30 UTC
+1

You could even make it warp cloaked (but not take a jump bridge). I find the remote cap bonus much more useful than the rep bonus.

I want to see logi appear on killmails! (by just repping)  See CSM "reasonable things"
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2014-02-16 22:59:59 UTC
Veritaal wrote:
Interesting, I suppose. However, until it drops down from 1.6 billion, I don't see why anyone would use this as opposed to bringing another carrier. Or a logi ship.


That's already going to happen. They're going to add BPC drops to dronelands, which should drop it down to around 700-900M.

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Being the only covert cloaky BS in the game, with a reasonable logi bonus. As it stands now, the only way to bring logi in a covert ops gang, is to have the recons/blops bring repair drones.


CCP has repeatedly stated that if there is going to be a Covert-Cloak battleship, it will be Tech 2 Black Ops. Not the Nestor.

Katrina Oniseki
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-02-17 00:34:34 UTC
[quote=Veritaal. As it stands now, the only way to bring logi in a covert ops gang, is to have the recons/blops bring repair drones.[/quote]

Cloaky T3's can use the RR subsystems.
Your statement is false.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-17 04:47:43 UTC
the ship is useless ccp
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#9 - 2014-02-17 15:21:09 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
the ship is useless ccp


Yes.

If you turned it into a giant capacitor transfer it would at least have a potential niche.
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-17 21:50:04 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Solutio Letum wrote:
the ship is useless ccp


Yes.

If you turned it into a giant capacitor transfer it would at least have a potential niche.


not only, but its also worth 1.5B +, i can pay 200 million for logis and get about half of what that is.
1.5 billion would get me a carrier

in logistics, it would get me 6 ships

its worthless even for a over priced piece of pirate ship.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-02-17 21:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Intended redux is designed to turn the Nestor into a Capacitor logistics vessel, designed to assist other larger ships such as carriers with capacitor transfer needs. To that end, it has had its mobility nerfed a bit from current form, while recieving very nice bonuses to cap transfers and a heftier armor tank.


That's an unquestionably useless specialization for a subcap, given that other capital ships are already way better at that. And that subcaps and caps have different modes of transportation. And that the nestor can't stand up to the fire that the ships its supporting can.
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The drone damage bonuses have been removed in favor of application bonuses. Drone capacity has stayed the same.


I'm guessing you think the nestor is too good in its current form? Lol Also, what application bonus? You didn't include one in the OP, the damage bonus is still there.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2014-02-18 01:18:25 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:

not only, but its also worth 1.5B +


Not For Long.

Katrina Oniseki
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#13 - 2014-02-18 01:25:18 UTC
Batelle wrote:

That's an unquestionably useless specialization for a subcap, given that other capital ships are already way better at that. And that subcaps and caps have different modes of transportation. And that the nestor can't stand up to the fire that the ships its supporting can.


"Useless" is hyperbole. It has a use. But I understand what you're trying to say - it's not useful enough.

A lack of jump drives is nothing new for battleships, and it certainly doesn't make it unfeasible to support caps with it. It doesn't even make it any more difficult than using other subcaps. I'm not sure that is a valid criticism.

A fair enough criticism on the part about EHP. It doesn't come anywhere close to a carrier, but then again... neither does a Bhaalgorn.

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I'm guessing you think the nestor is too good in its current form? Lol Also, what application bonus? You didn't include one in the OP, the damage bonus is still there.


I changed it back.

Katrina Oniseki