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So what's with all the BLOPS rage?
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IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-16 14:18:48 UTC
I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops.

So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"?
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-02-16 17:13:54 UTC
What BLOPS whiners? Are you sure you have the right forum?
I know people moan about BLOBS, but BLOPS??

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#3 - 2014-02-16 17:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesco Ergo Sum
IDGAD wrote:
I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops.

So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"?


Broken - too long to train a good Cyno alt Big smile
Broken - Jump distance needs to be tripled, we aren't jumping a Capital here so why not increase the range Evil
Broken - Logi, needs "max coward mode" for sure... why can't BLOPS have their equivalent of Slowcats?

With BlueSec taking over BLOPS is the FUTURE!11!!!1!!!
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#4 - 2014-02-16 17:38:52 UTC
IDGAD wrote:
I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail. I'm conflicted in thinking that maybe all the whiners are complaining about being dropped by BLOPS and want them nerfed, or they are flying BLOPS and think it's too hard and they should have max coward mode amounts of logi to support their covert drops.

So for those of you who claim it's "broken", what do you think is "broken" about BLOPS and needs "fixing"?


You seem confused, please provide data on all these "Complaints"...

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Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-16 18:46:05 UTC
Confirming I have seen no complaints since 2012.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#6 - 2014-02-16 19:07:22 UTC
Obvious Cyno wrote:
Confirming I have seen no complaints since 2012.


With a name like yours I'd believe it!
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#7 - 2014-02-16 21:09:59 UTC
Who the fck is complaining about blops? GTFO op.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#8 - 2014-02-16 21:24:49 UTC
Veritaal
Veri-Tech Tax Haven
#9 - 2014-02-16 21:38:05 UTC
I don't think they are broken.

I am disappointed that they are pretty much only used as mini-titans for bridging covops fleets though.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-02-16 23:25:13 UTC
BLOPS isn't broken, it's just misunderstood -- usually by those too impatient to train the skills or feel that it's unfair their 2 day old character can't fly a Titan already.

Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Model X5
Under The Desktop
#11 - 2014-02-17 00:02:00 UTC
i like pizza
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-02-17 00:20:32 UTC
The only complaint generally is that Blops are too expensive and too weak for their hull size, to be used for actual fighting as opposed to just a covert bridge. But really, it'd be a bit OP to have a battleship that can both bridge in a support fleet while itself being an almighty hammer of the gods.
Their expense and relative lack of DPS added to a fleet (plus that it cannot warp while cloaked) mean that they will remain unpopular choices for front line fighting. Many Blops follow a fleet into system as a means to bridge them back out, so risking them in direct combat may also strand an entire fleet far from friendly space. Also, the nature of covert warfare is hit and run, lightning strikes- something battleships are hardly known for.

Quite simply, their use as a mobile, covert bridge far outweighs the benefit of risking them in combat. So they tend to be much like Titans- very expensive ships that are only ever used to bridge fleets around then parked. In fact, Blops are probably used even less in direct combat roles than Titans these days.

But no rage that I've heard.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#13 - 2014-02-17 00:28:52 UTC
IDGAD wrote:
I've seen so many people complain about how BLOPS are broken, but no one ever seems to go into detail.


[citation needed]

Perhaps you're a slow reader and are just catching up on the 2011-12 forums, and weren't aware that Black Ops had their range significantly expanded, fuel consumption significantly reduced, and fuel capacity significantly increased in Retribution 1.1.

The current complaints about Black Ops are mostly complaints about hot drops, which apply to all jump mechanics, not just Black Ops.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#14 - 2014-02-17 00:32:43 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
The only complaint generally is that Blops are too expensive and too weak for their hull size, to be used for actual fighting as opposed to just a covert bridge. But really, it'd be a bit OP to have a battleship that can both bridge in a support fleet while itself being an almighty hammer of the gods.


Yup. If people really want to take a 1B ISK ship into the front line, there are Machariels, Vindicators, dreadnoughts and carriers to sate their spendthrift desires.

Alaric Faelen wrote:
Quite simply, their use as a mobile, covert bridge far outweighs the benefit of risking them in combat.


Couldn't agree more :)

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EmoKidWithKantana
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-02-17 00:35:01 UTC
I love Blops, i really do, and thats mostly due to how there design philosophy is laid out

They are one of those few types of ships in the game who's role is simply to "**** with other people" and ruin other pilots days
From keel up, they are made for jumping on people that do not expect you, and then bugging out with as little risk as possible to yourself, they really have very few other roles

Sure, ceptors and other fast ships tend to be designed around a similar modus operandi, but they have other purposes like scouting and the like... not so with blops

On top of that, they are also easy enough to deal with due to there limited hitpoints, and as long as you know your locals you can predict there appearance pretty easily
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#16 - 2014-02-17 03:23:48 UTC
BLOPS are broken the same way AFK Cloaking is broken.




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tesco Ergo Sum
#17 - 2014-02-17 08:10:31 UTC
From the post Mara linked above:

"This is not the big Black Ops rebalance, and we here at CCP do not consider Black Ops "done" after these changes..."

Rage will take over when these are done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FfdJdZ5_guM#t=66
Em arr Roids
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-02-17 08:21:43 UTC
Hey guys.

I Blop'd my cherry on the test server the other day and there was no premature ejections.

Nothing wrong with blops imo.
Sevendeadly Sins
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-02-17 14:27:57 UTC
Model X5 wrote:
i like pizza

Your face screams "PUNCH ME!"

The voices... I must comply...

*punches Model X5*

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2014-02-17 15:08:32 UTC
It's easy, stop flying Widows.
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