Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok here is an option that resolves all the issues.

Allow the switching to a station provided zero implant clone at any time in the same station , with med facilities,with a 4 hour cooloff per change. Cost 2.5m isk per zero clone use. Zero clone only just large enough to preserve skill points at the point of switching.

Risk vs reward,

Risk:- Cost,4hr cooldown, loss of advanced training rate and hardwire gains while in zero implant clone,loss of training if killed in the zero clone that you learnt while in it. one less implanted clone available as one of your available infomorph clone slots needs to be unused.

reward:- jump in and kill stuff!.

This would still have value even if the learning attributes were removed from implants, you do not always want to go play full kamakazi with a full ascendancy or snake set.

Ps can we do it in wormholes please?

I will have to agree with the op on this matter, learning implants give newer players the most problems, as an older player, I rarely have learning implants in my head anymore and if I have I don't really care if I lose them. Having good income negates the penalty for losing learning implants and when you hit the point at which you've skilled most of your skills to a level you like theres really not much of an incentive to use learning implants. Sure maybe that capital remote cap transfer skill takes somedays longer to get to lvl 5 but it doesn't really matter.

And then theres the alts you rarely use who are always in +5 implants, they get the gain all the time and theres no risk of losing em.

From my perspective, abolishing them or simply creating a learning booster that gives +n to all attributes would be better in my perspective, the booster itself would last for a week, month or something and not get destroyed when podded. But basicly what i'm saying is that something does need to happen to this situation, isk sinks can be created and implants aren't a huge one at that.

Having highsec dwellers go into lowsec and null without fear of losing implants would be great.
I'd also like to underline that this is about learning implants, all the other implants and hardwirings should stay as they are atm.

Factual part:
I entered w-space after 3 months of play and never left. It never occurred to me to change clones for pvp. I pvp with learning implants in. It's only 40 million if you get podded - nothing compared to the rest of the ship. It's never seemed like a lot of money.

Humorous part:
You poofs need to grow a pair. Get your implants in and jump into a wormhole today. If you want someone to hold your hand, join our public chat.

Opinion Part:
Learning implants represent a trade-off decision for the player. Money or time? Risk (money) and reward (more SP).

Trade-offs make for more interesting and varied play. They are good for eve.

Frankly, you only ever need to have 2 implants in at a time since you're usually learning either support skills or gunnery + ships.

Sometimes I even forget to wear them and I don't really notice. After 3 years of play waiting a few more days for minmatar BS 5 didn't really change my game. They are actually more useful for young players than old ones, and it's a natural feature of being young that you have to take a few risks to get ahead.

Cynical Part:
learning implants are a currency sink. All economies need a currency sink. Without them people become comfortable and retire early.

Would likely see more PVP going on.

Actually I'm sure you would, because I'd be one.

But this is the game they want. Sucks in so many ways.

Yes it pretty much is. It's the I can't afford to risk my implants to pvp but I have to use them because other people do. So if nobody can use implants then I won't either and can pvp more

Sadly IMO the people with that mentality won't get out and pvp anyhow.

I've lived in a wormhole for most of my eve life. I've never used above +3 implants and I've done fine.

I disagree with practically every point, and be summed up rather fast.

Normal players will probably have 2 accounts. Multiple toons on each. Only one toon is (normally) training in each account. What this means is that more experienced players are min-maxing implants effects. The toon parked more in station has implants and will have it's skill queue running, combat pilots are not training are have no-implant jumpclones (other then skillwires) so basically the "clever" players play at far reduced risk.

New players have one account, get access to the Cerebral Accelerators for free at the start, then have to make balancing choices with implants and possible loss. The new players are the ACTUAL players we all want to pvp BECAUSE if they become risk averse at the start of the damn game, it's far more likely they will follow that trend, and the current implants add another layer to that problem.

You could have accelerators that only boost learning from skill levels 1-4, or are a big isk to maintain, or ... a million other possibilities.

You just lack the imagination to come up with middle ground solutions and instead call people names. Shame on you.

The reason why it's not "an unreasonable request" is:

* CCP set the prececedent with Cerebral Accellerators, and wanting new players to get into the action quicker, in a game that CANNOT be "grinded for skills", allowing players that look the amount of skills points needed and think "my god I't will take me years to be good at anything". The fact that it does not work quite that way is irrelevant to brand new players that are starting in the most complicated MMO they will probably ever play.

* It has nothing to do with money or isk loss. Anyone that is very confortable with the EVE mechanics will balance out isk-vs-reward, and as someone pointed out, running around with implants bigger the +2 or +3 for the first 6 months is a tad pointless, when even a simple starting remap to raise just Willpower and Perception would do greater good, just do concentrate on sayGunnery and all the ship unlocking skills, same would go with other stats just for market and trading toons.

Since CCP already has started down the road of "helping the new player experience", that's what they should concentrate on. I have already made a market toon and got it to about 30 mill SP. It's parked and not training anymore as I don't really need any more SP in that one atm, and would not bother getting a couple of +5 implants just to PLEX some skills for a month to round something off anyway.

A change in the implants to get more beginners up to scratch faster, with less reasons to avoid risks, would be welcome by me, and this current idea is not too bad.

My +5 clone is the cheapest clone I have and the only time I PvP in it, is when I cannot be bothered to change. I just do not buy the argument you are making and I believe you would find the next excuse not to PvP, if they were removed.

It's a game, play it, enjoy it. I have no doubt while you were sitting in station worrying about your implants, I was out PvPing in a set that cost more and was enjoying myself.

Jump clones were actually developped to travel faster in the first place when CCP noticed we were suiciding ourselves in null-sec towards our high-sec clones

on the the contrary,

newer players are encouraged to train cybernetics V early on to get the most out of +5 implants as soon as they can (except maybe null noobs). likewise when ppl make new alts, cybernetics V is one of the earlier skills they train so they can put +5 implants into their alt as soon as possible. I've also heard some players say they regretted not getting into +5's sooner.

ppl who like PvP are less likely to use costly implants because they want to pvp
ppl who like to train fast will rarely PvP because they want to train fast

so it really comes down to attitude/priorities. Since the OP's idea is to swap implants for a permanent +3, why dnt all those afraid of losing implants swap out for +3's now and PvP to their hearts content? This option has been available to u since the beginning.

All that said, im pro removal. they are kinda like learning skills where u have to train cybernetics to some level, and fit implants of some power. its just not clever to not have implants of +3 or +4.

if ppl care, ive never used a +5 in three years of the game, though i do have the skills to fit them.