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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-02-16 11:12:21 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...


Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.


Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.


I jumped into one once in my Ishkur.

I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight.

Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight.

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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2014-02-16 11:12:47 UTC
You know what's broken OP?
Your brain.



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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#23 - 2014-02-16 11:13:32 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps....
It was a joke, I'm sorry. Cry

The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews. P


yes, that you can't help - sometimes we are on the right tick, sometimes we are not.
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Division 13
#24 - 2014-02-16 11:15:42 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Mildew Wolf wrote:
if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak

also cloaks can help



I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

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#25 - 2014-02-16 11:16:18 UTC
Shederov Blood wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps....
It was a joke, I'm sorry. Cry

The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews. P


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Azn Empire
#26 - 2014-02-16 11:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.


Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.
You didn't avoid it, you jumped into it. Which is not the same as being unavoidable, so you're being rather disingenuous.

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Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-02-16 11:18:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...


Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.


Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.


I jumped into one once in my Ishkur.

I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight.

Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight.


There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-02-16 11:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Shederov Blood wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps....
It was a joke, I'm sorry. Cry

The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews. P


I'll tell you what happens to me. You know how when you jump through a gate, if you haven't got a route set, the game automatically selects the gate you just came through? Well, when a ship comes through that gate, if I have that gate selected, I'm on my PVP overview so that only neutrals or reds appear on it, and absolutely nothing else, as soon as that ship appears I'm holding ctrl and spamming it in the overview....

And I lock the damn gate every time. So now when I jump into a new system, I have the sun on my PVP overview so I can select that first, so any lag will cause my ship to try to lock that, which it will fail to do, and I lock the ship instead, and when my already-blinking modules activate, it's on the targeted ship instead of the stargate.

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l0rd carlos
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#29 - 2014-02-16 11:22:03 UTC
My corp found a insta lock camp some days ago, we warped in with 3 Maulus and sensor damped them for 15 minutes. A lot of neutral frigs got away because of us.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-02-16 11:22:22 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...


Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.


Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.


I jumped into one once in my Ishkur.

I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight.

Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight.


There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.


EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-02-16 11:26:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.


Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.


I jumped into one once in my Ishkur.

I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight.

Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight.


There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.


EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.


Perhaps actually reading before responding might be a good first step for you.
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Tastes Like Purple
#32 - 2014-02-16 11:27:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.


This +1

I also notice the OP using certain words in terms of absolutes.

Guaranteed...
Unavoidable...

There are absolutely no absolutes. You just haven't figured out how to avoid them. Plenty of people here have offered suggestions but you blame a broken mechanic because something happened to you. Nothing happens to you. Events occur based on the choices you make or those you choose not to make. Events do not happen to you.

Mechanic is working as intended.

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ViolentDesire
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#33 - 2014-02-16 11:30:33 UTC
The problem is that the lack of actual content encourages gate camps as the sure way of getting some kills. It doesnt really add much to the game other than wasting peoples time.

Wasnt the #1 on the most kill list for a long time the dude sitting in Rancer in a smartbombing battleship camping a gate popping pods?
Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-02-16 11:31:37 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.


This +1

I also notice the OP using certain words in terms of absolutes.

Guaranteed...
Unavoidable...

There are absolutely no absolutes. You just haven't figured out how to avoid them. Plenty of people here have offered suggestions but you blame a broken mechanic because something happened to you. Nothing happens to you. Events occur based on the choices you make or those you choose not to make. Events do not happen to you.

Mechanic is working as intended.


The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-02-16 11:32:02 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Perhaps actually reading before responding might be a good first step for you.


Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.


I read just fine. For this difference that you mention to matter, and be relevant, then risk-free has to exist in the game. It doesn't, so this difference you allude to is irrelevant. The thing is, you should be flying expecting guaranteed death. It happens, sometimes it's unavoidable. THAT'S EVE. You deal with it by making something of that guaranteed death. You jump into a gatecamp, you should be trying to take as many of those suckers with you as you can instead of bitching about it on the forums. Because bitching about it on the forums has never resulted in the cessation of gate-camping.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#36 - 2014-02-16 11:33:13 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:


The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.
Or having friends.... OMG!!!111!! Friends in an MMO, who'da thunk it????

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-02-16 11:33:40 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.


This +1

I also notice the OP using certain words in terms of absolutes.

Guaranteed...
Unavoidable...

There are absolutely no absolutes. You just haven't figured out how to avoid them. Plenty of people here have offered suggestions but you blame a broken mechanic because something happened to you. Nothing happens to you. Events occur based on the choices you make or those you choose not to make. Events do not happen to you.

Mechanic is working as intended.


The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.


I have one account. I run through low sec frequently. Sometimes, I run into gate camps. It happens.

The difference between me and you I guess is that I actually PVP.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-02-16 11:35:41 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...


Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.


Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.


I avoid them all the time, get on my level.

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#39 - 2014-02-16 11:36:01 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:

The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.


Another alternative would be a travel fitting. Get your ship to allign in under 2 seconds. Or was it 3?

Refit once you are deeper in lowsec.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#40 - 2014-02-16 11:38:18 UTC
Guys why put in the :Effort: of using the options already available, when you can whine on the forums and learn nothing?

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