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'In Real LIfe I am KInd. In EVE I am a Psychopath'

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rswfire
#301 - 2014-02-14 20:01:45 UTC
Vedor Teo wrote:
Behind the internet, everyone will start to disclose their true self.


This.

Most people don't roleplay -- and in any other context, they would consider it "gay." They are just themselves, "23/7." When you log in, I don't think many people flip a mental switch to "acting mode." If you derive satisfaction out of an activity, that is saying something about yourself.

I think there should be a distinction made though -- most Eve players are just playing a PvP video game. That in and of itself says absolutely nothing substantive about that person. But if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you, imo.

It could say many things also: That you are frustrated in real life and feel the need to take it out on someone else, that you are angry and can't find a healthy way of communicating that to someone you are close to, or that you're just a plain ol' jack--- and Eve's community is a welcoming place for you. xD

My brain is wired differently; I don't see the appeal in some of the darker sides of Eve. But there is good and bad in everyone; I have never met anyone with the capacity to be as abrasive as myself -- I can generally "extract tears" from someone in real life with remarkable ease, but I tend to feel bad about it afterward, and I often do it unintentionally.

So, like most things...it is not a black and white subject. It does annoy me when people use the excuse they're just playing a role; it annoys me because I think they're lying...either to me, themselves, or both. How many people genuinely log into Eve with the intention of roleplaying someone they are not? Do you get into character and stay in character? And even if that were true, what is that saying about you? (In some ways, that sounds worse to me.)

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#302 - 2014-02-14 20:29:06 UTC
rswfire wrote:

...
But if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you, imo.

The collection of tears has a context also though, as you full well know the best tears are retributive in nature, putting a ponce in his place as a form of justice in some cases. Your implication that tear collection is solely about griefing is not always accurate.

*whack*.

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rswfire
#303 - 2014-02-14 20:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: rswfire
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
rswfire wrote:

...
But if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you, imo.

The collection of tears has a context also though, as you full well know the best tears are retributive in nature, putting a ponce in his place as a form of justice in some cases. Your implication that tear collection is solely about griefing is not always accurate.

*whack*.


Raz was not "actively seeking" to extract tears from me. That's not his style, as you very well know. So you are taking what I said out of context in order to drive traffic to your website. In fact, it's not a secret that I respect Raz, long before we were (what did you call it?) frenemies. There's a reason why I made a point of drawing distinctions; I don't think you do well in a world of color.

Edit: I think something is just lost in translation between us, because you are saying the same thing I did. I don't think tears are the exclusive domain of griefers; this is why I said "derive enjoyment, actively seeking." I was, in fact, limiting that sentence to a subset of players who make it a point of extracting tears, as griefers do. It is not applicable beyond that and thus the extraction of tears from me when I was new to Eve and spouting my mouth would certainly be entertaining to others. There's a difference, and that is why I also said it is not black and white.

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Deano McCandless
Doomheim
#304 - 2014-02-14 20:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deano McCandless
After a short conversation with a friend about the benefits and hazards of the CODE fellows. it did occur to me that the people who seem to consider themselves less conflict-orientated are often the first to resort to name calling and rage.

Case in point: When an unsolicited HighSec WarDec landed on a friend's corp, with no previous communication or contact with the deccer, phrases such as "Lets gut that ****ing **** and teach him a ****ing lesson" started to be spoken.

It would seem that some people are under the impression that their rules only apply in one direction.

Don't fool with fools who'll turn away
Keep all Good Company
Oo Hoo Oo Hoo
Take care of those you call your own
And keep Good Company


Editted to make sense
rswfire
#305 - 2014-02-14 20:49:16 UTC
Deano McCandless wrote:
After a short conversation with a friend about the benefits and hazards of the CODE fellows. it did occur to me that the people who seem to consider themselves less conflict-orientated are often the first to resort to name calling and rage.

Case in point: When an unsolicited HighSec WarDec landed on a friend's corp, with no previous communication or contact with the deccer, phrases such as "Lets gut that ****ing **** and teach him a ****ing lesson".

It would seem that some people are under the impression that their rules only apply in one direction.


I've given this subject a lot of thought. I'm a very introspective person and I've faced a great deal of conflict in Eve, and I often asked myself what it said about me that I tolerated so much and did not just give up and go play a different game. I think there's probably a lot of truth to what you say here; the page Feyd linked is about an exchange I had with someone over a year ago and my memory of the experience was very different than the reality of the experience...and I only became conscious of that after stumbling across that page much later, the day I left a comment at the bottom of it. I think in the end anyone who plays Eve probably has a part of themselves that is seeking some form of expression...and there are as many reasons why as there are people who play this game. Anyone who plays this game is deriving satisfaction from something, or they wouldn't play it...and they certainly wouldn't defend it with such fervor.

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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#306 - 2014-02-14 22:07:18 UTC
rswfire wrote:

if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you
...
I don't think you do well in a world of color.

tl:dr:
Words mean things. Use them wisely.

Long version:
Tear collection has context, you cannot generalize all tear collectors as mentally ill in RL.

For example, I personally love collecting tears from people that refuse to embrace EvE's core axiom of non consensual conflict, or who refuse to treat detonations as learning experiences and instead whine or complain when sploded. In the broader sense where EvE is ultimately a GAME, this doesn't make me mentally ill, just competitive.

Put it this way, I don't respect the soccer player that flops around on the ground faking an injury and moaning to the ref trying to draw a penalty on his opponent, I mock him and his tears the same as I mock the whiny carebear that files petitions or calls for nerfs to the game. If I was on the field with said pansy soccer player, I would in fact target him for EXTRA tackling after such shameful exhibitions, to the ends of one of two goals; either he H's TFU to continue playing in my cherished game, or he quits soccer to go play tiddlywinks (WoW) instead...

F

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rswfire
#307 - 2014-02-14 22:15:29 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
rswfire wrote:

if you derive enjoyment and actively seek to "extract tears" then yeah, there's probably something wrong with you
...
I don't think you do well in a world of color.

tl:dr:
Words mean things. Use them wisely.

Long version:
Tear collection has context, you cannot generalize all tear collectors as mentally ill in RL.

For example, I personally love collecting tears from people that refuse to embrace EvE's core axiom of non consensual conflict, or who refuse to treat detonations as learning experiences and instead whine or complain when sploded. In the broader sense where EvE is ultimately a GAME, this doesn't make me mentally ill, just competitive.

Put it this way, I don't respect the soccer player that flops around on the ground faking an injury and moaning to the ref trying to draw a penalty on his opponent, I mock him and his tears the same as I mock the whiny carebear that files petitions or calls for nerfs to the game. If I was on the field with said pansy soccer player, I would in fact target him for EXTRA tackling after such shameful exhibitions, to the ends of one of two goals; either he H's TFU to continue playing in my cherished game, or he quits soccer to go play tiddlywinks (WoW) instead...

F



Dude, from my point of view, there is nothing you've said to me in this thread I disagree with, and I feel you're saying pretty much exactly what I did, only in a different way. People communicate in different ways. If you look at the overarching theme of my post, I think it's pretty clear that (1) I don't think most people are sociopaths; (2) I think people who solely seek to extract tears from others may have some issues, and that even then that doesn't make them sociopaths (I even provided some example reasons); and (3) I think everyone who plays Eve, including myself, are capable of being a little twisted. But most importantly, I think people are people, and that they are themselves whether they are playing a video game, watching a movie, working, talking to friends, whatever...and that there's no reason why anyone should feel the need to make excuses for their behavior. Put succinctly, it's Eve, and what you do here is a part of who you are, so embrace it instead of trying to justify it.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#308 - 2014-02-14 22:50:49 UTC
I just read the title of this thread as
"In real life I am EvE, in Kind im a psychopath"

Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC
Zora'e
#309 - 2014-02-16 04:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Zora'e
In the grand scheme of things... you are who you are. My personal opinion is that every human being has the seeds of great good AND great evil already within them. It is which side of the coin we chose to display at any one time that defines who we are. Nobody is always 'good' or always 'bad'. We are always a mix of both traits. Some of us tend to lean more towards being 'good', some of us tend to lean more towards being 'bad'. Some of us straddle the fence. A game doesn't change who you are. You are already who you are. It just allows you to express certain aspects of your overall personality, parts of the good or bad that already exists within you.

In my opinion you can not play 'evil' unless the seeds of that evil exist within you, nor can you play 'good' unless the seeds of that good exist within you. As both of those seeds exist in everyone (in my opinion anyway).. this entire thread is moot.

~Zora'e

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#310 - 2014-02-16 05:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
What the title read in my mind, "In real life I am boring and have no imagination, so in eve I am a miner"

"I will give a biased study report, take it as a god given truth, and warp its results to fit my views on the world."

Anyways even if you are miner or a manufacturer, remember that your playstyle and all of EVE is driven by one thing and one thing only, destruction. So whatever you do you are directly connected to the thing you are calling "mean", and it is hard to have destruction while you are not being a "psychopath".

Anyways EVE is about ships exploding, it is like saying if you kill people in counter strike or kill cops in gta you are a psycopath, that is what the whole game is about.

I am going to go a little philosophical (and ambiguous), let us say you have 2 guys in an army fighting a battle 10 to 1. One looks at the army and scoffs at it and charges on, the other is fearful, he thinks of his chances of his survival and know they are low, hesitates for a second but nevertheless charges on. Who he is actually brave? Imo the first guy is stupid but the second guy is actually brave (or braver at least). You cannot have courage without fear.

How this relates to this conversation is, you can't call yourself good if you really don't get "psychopathic" thoughts or don't have the imagination for it, because you aren't being good because you believe it is the "better" choice, you just are being good because you are naive. On the other hand the same guy that has an imagination for psychopathy or violence but still acts good is actually the good person, because in real life he is acting good because he believes it is the better thing to do. EVE is just a place where you can channel these psychopathic thoughts without real life consequences, to you and the other person.

So even in EVE, if you don't have the imagination for violence that doesn't necessarily mean you are good, it just means you are naive, stupid, and have 0 imagination.

Go get me that veldspar, build me a catalyst so I can mine your tears.

Food for thought
ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#311 - 2014-02-16 06:41:33 UTC
I have moved this post to Out of Pod Experience as it is a discussion about how games affect your out of game personality (or not).
Lets keep respectful of other's opinions.

ISD Gallifreyan

Lt. Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#312 - 2014-02-16 06:49:52 UTC
ISD Gallifreyan wrote:
I have moved this post to Out of Pod Experience as it is a discussion about how games affect your out of game personality (or not).
Lets keep respectful of other's opinions.


So wait a post about some dude beating cancer stays in general discussion, but a post about how your behavior in game affects it out of game is moved to out of pod?

Double standards much?
Sublime Rage
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#313 - 2014-02-17 11:28:56 UTC
Veronica Felix wrote:
We often see people in EVE who defensively claim to be good, decent folk in real life, yet play vicious psychotics in EVE. But can they really separate the two? Does one's EVE persona reflect who and what people are in real life despite all their denials?

A new study claims that playing the villain makes you a bad person in real life:

'Gamers that adopted villainous Voldemort as an avatar, were more likely to dish out a punishment in the experiment .

'University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign researchers found that people who played games as a heroic character were more likely to reward others.

'They warned that how gamers represent themselves in the virtual world of video games may affect how they behave toward others in the real world.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2555752/Playing-villain-video-games-makes-MEAN-Avatar-role-play-replicated-real-world-claims-study.html#ixzz2svavZ1lj


On the other hand, actors are more likely to be bad persons in real life if they play the character of a villain .hahaha ...right right?!
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2014-02-18 02:10:15 UTC
to the OP:

Just don't go assuming that correlation implies causation. There is a definite correlation between the way act in games and the way they act in real life. In games we put on masks and play a bit differently than we live our lives. We play about the same in all ways that are not taboo in either, and in other ways we play with less inhibitions in the game than in real life.

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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2014-02-18 03:55:51 UTC
Dark Helmut wrote:
Now you can see that evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb.

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

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XNCReman
Soviet Directorate of Eve
#316 - 2014-02-18 04:10:15 UTC
Goons are D-Bags in real life too
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#317 - 2014-02-19 16:27:14 UTC
Thread is in trouble, it has no life support since it got moved to OOPE. Not enough RL kind/psycho in EVE people over here in OOPE. The prospects look dim, unless it gets sent back to GD for some nourishment.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2014-02-20 03:48:50 UTC
We should do commercials,

"I am not really a Space Pirate, I only play one in EVE"

Now once we actually get spaceships in real life, I can't guarantee anything. Twisted
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2014-02-20 07:52:30 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Thread is in trouble, it has no life support since it got moved to OOPE. Not enough RL kind/psycho in EVE people over here in OOPE. The prospects look dim, unless it gets sent back to GD for some nourishment.


Its times like this i mis Michael and his umbrella. Sad

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Tiberius Seraph
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#320 - 2014-02-25 10:24:40 UTC
"Der Mensch spielt nur, wo er in voller Bedeutung des Wortes Mensch ist, und er ist nur da ganz Mensch, wo er spielt."
(Man only plays when in the full meaning of the word he is a man, and he is only completely a man when he plays.)

- Friedrich Schiller, Briefe über die ästhetische Erziehung des Menschen (1795), 15. Brief

~

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

- Oscar Wilde