EVE General Discussion

Nothing in this post will be aimed at insulting anyone so please keep that in mind as you read (if you read).

I've played MMOs since June 6, 2001 when World War II Online was released. WWII Online was 100% pvp, you couldn't speak to the enemy, etc. However, the overall culture was still fairly open and neutral.

Most of the MMOs out there are the same game just with different skins attached to stuff. When I read the description of Eve I had fond memories of Starflight (from the late 1980s), exploring the unknown, discovering planets, running into new species, etc.

I fully understood that unlike most MMOs you cannot avoid PvP in Eve. I've never liked PvP because you have to completely change everything you do for PvP. PvP has always meant paying huge sums of money for the slightest increase in the quality of the smallest part of your gear. That all fine for those that like to PvP. Anyway, I understood I'd have to learn to deal with Pvp if I wanted to experience Eve.

I first started playing Eve in May when SOE lost all of its web services. Since then I've fallen victim to can flipping once (the guy picked up the can, then as if to say "oops I sorry put it back and started to move off"), I stumbled into a 0.4 system before I knew what that meant, my noobie ship was obliterated with the 1st shot, my pod with the 2nd. I've not repeated either of those mistakes. I ventured through a wormhole once, I started exploring, I got jumped by a group of five T3 cruisers that made quick work of my brutix.

I've listened to players talking to each other, I've read some posts in the forums, the trolls usually manage to drown out anything of value, so I don't come here often.

There is a significant percentage of established Eve players that seem to absolutely Hate new players and view them as tresspassers. These players also do everything within their power to make new players so miserable that they leave. I've heard the phrase "Eve isn't a nice place.". Well no it isn't. These established players do everything within their power to run off new players.

While this sadistic behavior may be fun, at some point Eve as a whole will begin to suffer. A number of my SWG friends came to Eve, some of them were Avid pvpers. They have all left not because they don't like pvp, not because they didn't like Eve, not because they couldn't learn, but because of the absolutely hateful treatment they received. I've been lucky, I'm met some really helpful people that have helped me learn to stay out of trouble. Well more trouble anyway.

Why are the Veteran players so Resentful of the new players? I would think they would be glad for new players, that they might even try to recruit and train new players...

Sorry, I'm just extremely puzzled.

Firstly yes, EvE has griefers, and it is a part of the game. However, those people who grief have almost zero way to identify your character as a new player, or someone who's been playing for years and just made a new character. Don't think that they are singling out 'new eve players'. What is most likely the case is that they are picking on young characters (who don't have many skillpoints compared to them), but like I said, being young does not mean being new.

It is indeed an issue for new players, I agree, but honestly aside from the tutorials, there isn't much FOR new players. Most of your learning has to be done you own with both research and trial-error. I'm honestly not sure how to remedy that exactly, but that goes back to EvE having one of (if not the) steepest learning curves on the market.

Basically, we don't hate new players. It's just hard for new players to catch up.

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I have to agree with the OP.

Many people I know who have tried Eve and left because they hated the community and not the game.

What can make a MMO succussful is by having a good community.

Lotro is a average MMO, but it had a fantastic community that was very helpful, especially to new players.

Eve has a difficult learning curve as it is, it doesn't help that new players get constantly griefed, laughed at, told to GTFO from the community both in game and on the forums.

For what ever reason a lot of players seem want to keep Eve for themselves and do not want new players which is strange to say the least.

I agree with that. I've a character from 2004, but he only has around 25 million skill points because I spent more time offline, than online. The cause? The community.

It was hard to find a place where I felt comfortable, and it's STILL difficult to find that comfortable spot. Nullsec is unappealing because of the cutthroat nature of the large alliances, lowsec is too dangerous and unprofitable because of the pirates, and highsec seems to be full of suicide gankers and ninja-salvagers.

I'm still here, though. Not because I appreciate those people's actions, but because I'm waiting for the real bulk of Incarna to come out. Essentially, I am probably one of the target audiences for CCP's new strategy with Incarna - sure, get mad at me if you want, but if you do, you're validating the OP's argument.

PvP in Eve will always come in many forms. You can't avoid 100% of the time. I remember being attacked in my Hulk and survived on more than a few occasions. Of course, I do tend to participate in pvp directly if I get bored or if I wanted to test out a fit.

In regards to the community, yeah... there will be douche bags where ever you go. But it's how you cope with them that determines how you enjoy the community. After all, if the community was never like this then a lot of people will never have learned how to deal with the consequences of either their actions or that of others.

As for some of your friends who quit Eve because of the community, then it's obvious Eve was not for them. Eve is for those who can live in a world of danger, deception, and outright greed and spite. As my father once told me: 'it's not how you fall, but how you get up after that fall that matters'.

I hate new players because I am a bittervet... They're not even very fun to kill, and I dislike having too many in a corp I'm in. They ask too many questions and are so.. innocent.

People have been saying this exact same thing for 8 years now. Yet, Eve is still here.

Again, this sounds like a lot of your friends had expectations on what Eve was, and when they found out their assumptions were wrong, instead of adapting, they quit. Sounds like you need smarter friends.

Fella there are a lot of people who are just fine in EVE and live decent normal lives.

But

this game is as gay as it comes. you have lots of internet shutin who play this game 24 hours a day and its becomes there social life as well as there gaming life. Go to nullsec and have a group of unemployed people shouting at you for having a job and a family and not being able to commit time to gaming.

Most people are normal here, but with MMOs the people who normally do not exist in polite society have a voice in this world.

(accepting wardecs from the shutins, naturally)

Did it try to suck you off or something ? My download didn't do that. Darn.

Do you REALLY know how dumb it sounds to use 'gay' as a perjorative (if you even know what that is. Doubt it.).