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SOE Nestor - trash?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#61 - 2014-02-15 20:08:11 UTC
what would i do to fix the nestor?

get rid of the hacking/scaning bonus and replace with the ability to make and use covert ops jump bridge.

though i would argue against fixing the nestor untill ccp fixes all blops.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#62 - 2014-02-15 22:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Alice Ituin wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
RR Nestors beat all the things. Try it on the test server, I am perfectly serious. Unless someone turns up with 4 Bhaalgorns, propperly fit Nestors will take everything.

Doesn't take a Bhaalgorn. Just a few well placed bumps.


Good luck bumping two Nestors away from each other when they are orbiting each other at 500ms. Also, if you get close enough to them to bump them, in a ship that is good at bumping. Your going to have a bad day.

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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#63 - 2014-02-15 23:47:18 UTC
Onictus wrote:
My Ishtar can top a Nestor in DPS and effective tank.......

......and that bit about BSs being special is tripe that they need to get over.



Yea, it's a load of horse crap.

At the cost of these things, you're getting into capital territory. You should be able to get some extra mileage out of them. They are still going to be far, far weaker than a capital so whats the problem with beefing them up a bit.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-02-15 23:59:45 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
RR Nestors beat all the things. Try it on the test server, I am perfectly serious. Unless someone turns up with 4 Bhaalgorns, propperly fit Nestors will take everything.

Doesn't take a Bhaalgorn. Just a few well placed bumps.


Good luck bumping two Nestors away from each other when they are orbiting each other at 500ms. Also, if you get close enough to them to bump them, in a ship that is good at bumping. Your going to have a bad day.



Don't need to bump them, you need a couple newbros in black birds......or god help you if you get "suddenly falcon'd".
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2014-02-16 00:35:38 UTC
Still nary a logical argument against covops cloak, or even the same cloak capability as the blops BBs. Hell, the blops BBs should have covops cloak too, then you might see them do something besides bridge.

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Veritaal
Veri-Tech Tax Haven
#66 - 2014-02-16 01:23:35 UTC
As it stands now, the Nestor dosen't fill any role that other ships don't already do better. Without what is right now a 1.6 billion pricetag on the hull in Jita.

Going exploring? Bring a covops frig. Or a cloaky T3.
Spidertanking BS gang? How many Dominixes could I buy for 1.6 bil? Navy Domis? And would the Nestor even be superior?
PVE? Why? Just use.... anything else.
Providing RR for fleets? Current Logistics ships are better.
Bait? Maybe.... but any T2/Faction ship is shiny enough to be bait.

I once thought about buying 2 Nestors and using them in sites and missions. Buy what would 4 billion ISK (after mods) worth of Nestors be able to do that 2 other ships could do just as well?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#67 - 2014-02-16 01:46:47 UTC
Veritaal wrote:
I once thought about buying 2 Nestors and using them in sites and missions. Buy what would 4 billion ISK (after mods) worth of Nestors be able to do that 2 other ships could do just as well?

"Gank me".

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2014-02-16 02:13:54 UTC
Veritaal wrote:


I once thought about buying 2 Nestors and using them in sites and missions. Buy what would 4 billion ISK (after mods) worth of Nestors be able to do that 2 other ships could do just as well?



Draw BLOPs gangs.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#69 - 2014-02-16 03:05:55 UTC
You know if the Nestor was released right around the time wormholes started in 2009, it would have been the goto ship of wormholers - a battleship with low mass suitable for wormholes with good drone fu capability and good support potential where your mass was limited in what you brought, but you could have had a little less in logistics but added some teeth to the next best thing.

But since 2009, the wormholers learned to adapt and overcome with the ships they already had on hand.

The Nestor is, as we say, a day late and a dollar short.


If they think the Nestor is going to become "the premier wormholer ship", it's going to need to do something that overcomes one of the limitations of wormholes.

So far, it does not.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#70 - 2014-02-16 06:25:30 UTC
Coming back to the op's suggestion...

No cov ops cloak

I can see an argument for making it in line with BLOPs;

The Stratios and Asteros can run with a BLOPs gang, but since the BLOPS cannot use the cov ops cloak it does not make sense for this ship to do it. However giving it the cloak bonuses and ability to jump the BLOPs bridge would bring the Nestor in line with its smaller cousins. However if that is done then it would require some other bonus to be removed rather than create an unbalanced over bonused ship.

So simply I would say give it the BLOPs bridge and cloak stuff but... Remove the turret bonus. This could create a role for the ship within the game, and given the way people fit BLOPS ships a decent Logi that could bridge with the fleet would be worth many isk (and yes I know they already exist to a point in T3s but hell T3s already fill every damn role you want to argue for so meh).

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McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#71 - 2014-02-16 11:35:17 UTC
Cut the price by 67% percent or give it massive buffs. As is, it's a 500m ship in my book.
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#72 - 2014-02-16 11:39:22 UTC
Veritaal wrote:
As it stands now, the Nestor dosen't fill any role that other ships don't already do better. Without what is right now a 1.6 billion pricetag on the hull in Jita.

Going exploring? Bring a covops frig. Or a cloaky T3.
Spidertanking BS gang? How many Dominixes could I buy for 1.6 bil? Navy Domis? And would the Nestor even be superior?
PVE? Why? Just use.... anything else.
Providing RR for fleets? Current Logistics ships are better.
Bait? Maybe.... but any T2/Faction ship is shiny enough to be bait.

I once thought about buying 2 Nestors and using them in sites and missions. Buy what would 4 billion ISK (after mods) worth of Nestors be able to do that 2 other ships could do just as well?


spider domis with damnation support are so good that I can't imagine anyone going "hey, we could really use some more reps.".
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#73 - 2014-02-16 11:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Onictus wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
Alice Ituin wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
RR Nestors beat all the things. Try it on the test server, I am perfectly serious. Unless someone turns up with 4 Bhaalgorns, propperly fit Nestors will take everything.

Doesn't take a Bhaalgorn. Just a few well placed bumps.


Good luck bumping two Nestors away from each other when they are orbiting each other at 500ms. Also, if you get close enough to them to bump them, in a ship that is good at bumping. Your going to have a bad day.



Don't need to bump them, you need a couple newbros in black birds......or god help you if you get "suddenly falcon'd".


There's plenty of room for 2 ECCM modules with all the mid slots. Good luck with that too. I am serious. Go on the test server and try it.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-02-16 11:55:37 UTC
Arduemont wrote:


There's plenty of room for 2 ECCM modules with all he mid slots. Good luck with that too. I am serious. Go on the test server and try it.


I don't have to.

If I have a need for spider tanking drone ships I have carrier(s). They do it better, and cheaper.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#75 - 2014-02-16 12:04:18 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Arduemont wrote:


There's plenty of room for 2 ECCM modules with all he mid slots. Good luck with that too. I am serious. Go on the test server and try it.


I don't have to.

If I have a need for spider tanking drone ships I have carrier(s). They do it better, and cheaper.


Not in highsec they don't.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2014-02-16 12:30:47 UTC
Arduemont wrote:


Not in highsec they don't.



I never was a market camper. Most of my time in high/low sec was spent trying to kill them.